Security Isuues - Club CDFreaks

2ndsign · 19-09-2002

hello
I desired to talk about security issues in computers.Yes i know this has nothing to do with cds but where else can you speak with talented computer individuals
then this forum.for instance i use Zonealarm because ive been taught that is the best firewall but is that true.I need you experts to set me straight!tell me the best security setups, virus scanners ect.
thx

*alexnoe* · 19-09-2002

ZoneAlarm is nothing but crap, designed to fool users who like colored buttons.

It can easily be circumvented (for it only compares file names), it even gives intentionally false alarms to appear being increasing security.

There's a FAQ on ZoneAlarm available in German, which explains why this program is FUD.

*Crazy Bob* · 19-09-2002

then what would one need to have a proper firewall?

**Dee-ehn** · 19-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Crazy Bob
then what would one need to have a proper firewall?

Linux

*alexnoe* · 19-09-2002

A non Microsoft-OS, and more in-depth-knowledge on existing protocols than all of us have altogether. And of course all Java disabled.

2ndsign · 19-09-2002

thx guy your right a linux system would be better.but exactly why is linux best at security?

*Mr. Belvedere* · 19-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by 2ndsign
thx guy your right a linux system would be better.but exactly why is linux best at security?

It doesn't use IIS

2ndsign · 19-09-2002

err?!What is IIS?

im trying to learn all I can guys.

cdfreaks

*Upp3rd0G* · 19-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by 2ndsign
err?!What is IIS?

im trying to learn all I can guys.

Have you ever heard of Google???

2ndsign · 19-09-2002

yes i did a google search?i found out what it is but i couldnt find anything related to linux.

**Da_Taxman** · 19-09-2002

IIS = Internet Information Services

If I am not mistaken. This is Microsoft's internet server utilities pack, included in Windows OS's.

For more information go here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...is/Default.asp

(Belvedere said it wasn't linux related, so why did you search for IIS and linux?

)

*cloakdoa* · 20-09-2002

IIS stands for Internet Information Server( or System).

It is M$'s webserver and ftp server. Dont qoute me on this, but I think it also can do newsgroups stuff do, but like I said dont qoute me.

It was a extra for WindowsNT Server, and it is part of WIndows2000 advanced. I think it also comes packaged for .NET server also.

If you are running IIS, make sure you patch it regularly.
The most secure computer is one that is locked in the basement with no power, locked in a box with a electric shield all around it and a armed security guard. A determined and skilled (noticed I said "skilled") can get into a computer no matter how tight it is.

Catfisherman · 20-09-2002

what about those routers that have a built in firewall, are they any good??
should you also run a seperate firewall from the built in one??

*Mr. Belvedere* · 20-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Catfisherman
what about those routers that have a built in firewall, are they any good??
should you also run a seperate firewall from the built in one??

Usually the word "firewall" is a bit misplaced here. Depending how you look on it.

For one , a firewall can mean : Block some ports. (For instance , only let through port 80 and 21).

For another , a firewall can mean : Block port[x] inboud , block port[x] outbound , another port[x] outbound , some inbound , etc , etc (For

Then there's : Block some ports , check some packages , translate to other ports or IP#'s , etc

The firewall in the highly popular (ADSL) routers are usually nothing more than port blockers , not scanning the packages for malicious purposes , just letting everything through. These can still be attacked by Denial Of Service , since they do not block some ip# that keeps attacking them on a port they can go through. But usually that's also enough.

This movie gives some understanding about firewalls and security issues.

19-09-2002	#1 (permalink)
2ndsign CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 369	Security Isuues <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> hello I desired to talk about security issues in computers.Yes i know this has nothing to do with cds but where else can you speak with talented computer individuals then this forum.for instance i use Zonealarm because ive been taught that is the best firewall but is that true.I need you experts to set me straight!tell me the best security setups, virus scanners ect. thx __________________ Amici Sumus

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alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,613	ZoneAlarm is nothing but crap, designed to fool users who like colored buttons. It can easily be circumvented (for it only compares file names), it even gives intentionally false alarms to appear being increasing security. There's a FAQ on ZoneAlarm available in German, which explains why this program is FUD. __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)

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2ndsign CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 369	IIS? err?!What is IIS? im trying to learn all I can guys. cdfreaks __________________ Amici Sumus

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2ndsign CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 369	yes i did a google search?i found out what it is but i couldnt find anything related to linux. __________________ Amici Sumus

19-09-2002	#11 (permalink)
Da_Taxman Senior (non-technical) Admin Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Eindhoven, The Netherlands Posts: 13,567	IIS = Internet Information Services If I am not mistaken. This is Microsoft's internet server utilities pack, included in Windows OS's. For more information go here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...is/Default.asp (Belvedere said it wasn't linux related, so why did you search for IIS and linux? ) __________________ By registering to our forum you accepted our rules and policies (Dutch), so respect CD Freaks by respecting these rules and policies; Please read these helpful tips and links for all (newbies and oldtimers) Please describe your problem as clear as possible in your topic title, so that others can see what it is about and are more inclined to help if it is something they know something about; I do not provide technical support over E-mail or Private Message (emails with such requests will be bounced); Please post your questions as clear as possible, so others can help you get a correct answer sooner; Please use our search, you might get an answer to your question sooner that way; For any forum related issues you can contact me through PM; I don't dislike newbies, just lazy people who expect others to do their work for them.

20-09-2002	#12 (permalink)
cloakdoa CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: United States- Florida Posts: 1,456	IIS stands for Internet Information Server( or System). It is M$'s webserver and ftp server. Dont qoute me on this, but I think it also can do newsgroups stuff do, but like I said dont qoute me. It was a extra for WindowsNT Server, and it is part of WIndows2000 advanced. I think it also comes packaged for .NET server also. If you are running IIS, make sure you patch it regularly. The most secure computer is one that is locked in the basement with no power, locked in a box with a electric shield all around it and a armed security guard. A determined and skilled (noticed I said "skilled") can get into a computer no matter how tight it is. __________________ Oh my, is that cd on fire?? I smell some hot plastics... Look at the orange button at the top 6th over from the left. It says Search. You can use this to help !!!!

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Catfisherman New on Forum Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 13	what about those routers that have a built in firewall, are they any good?? should you also run a seperate firewall from the built in one??

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