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wenguang · 12-09-2002

Please help,

Here is detail.

This cd is a PSX Game. When I use ClonyXXL, It detected as PSX/LibCrypt is using. But when I make an image file. The output image file is just about 3 megs. Very fast reading data.

Here is what I suspected. Its TOC. (Same as all TOC dumpers)

CD TOC file, created by BlindRead 4.0.6.49 at 12/9/2002 4:50:08

CD Volume name : ""

CD tracks list :
----------------

1 Session(s) - 9 Track(s) (9 Data,0 Audio)
------------------------------------------
Track 01 - MODE 2 - 00:00:00 (000000) to 99:57:74 (-000151)
Track 02 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151)
Track 03 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151)
Track 04 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151)
Track 05 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151)
Track 06 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151)
Track 07 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151)
Track 08 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151)
Track 09 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 00:18:17 (001367)

Thanks you for all helping!

^_^

*dfourthhorseman* · 12-09-2002

Whats your reader and writer? Also whats the name of the game? Need more info.

wenguang · 12-09-2002

In Device Manger,

My Reader = AOpen 40x MTRP
My Writer = GENERIC CD-R CRD-R800S SCSI CDROM DEVICE

And the game's name is Winning Eleven 2003. (It doesn't used this protection in all previous ver.)

My burn box,

AMD Athlon XP 1400+
DDR 256 Mb
HDD 40 Gb
GeForce 2 MX

Windows XP Pro, Me

Thanks for ur help,
^_^

wenguang · 12-09-2002

My writer is Caravelle's but Device manager can't detect the brand name.

wenguang · 12-09-2002

When I open the drive in My Computer, It show all files and folders in root dir. But when I want to access some file with Notepad It said "Cannot open the xxx.xxx file" and I've tried to open with UltraEdit It said "Error reading file!".
Ok, then I try to open the folder but It failed for all folders! It said "Please insert a disk into drive X:".

I thinks It's all about TOC. But I don't know how to find the real TOC of the data in CD.

It works fine in PSX Console!

Thanks much,
^_^

*dfourthhorseman* · 12-09-2002

I think it may be your writer, it may not be capable of bypassing illegal TOC if thats what it is. Also for PSX games, data subchannel read and don't repair subchannel needs to be checked in CloneCD, so make sure your writer can read the proper subchannel data too.

use Nero Info Tool to see what it says about your writer:

Nero InfoTool v1.02
http://www.cdspeed2000.com/files/NeroInfoTool_102.zip

Also tell me what the CloneCD writer database say about it:

CloneCD 4 Supported Writers
http://elby.ch/english/products/clone_cd/writers/a.html

wenguang · 12-09-2002

Hi,
My writer didn't listed on supported by CloneCD listing.
Here is what Nero InfoTool saids,

Thanks yah!

Drive Information
-----------------
Drive : E-IDE CD-ROM 40X/AKU
Type : CD-ROM Drive
Firmware Version : U40
Buffer Size : 128 KB
Date : ?
Serial Number : ?
Drive Letter : F:\
Location : 0:1
Mechanism : Tray
Read Speed (Max.) : 48 X
Write Speed (Max.) : n/a

Read CD Text : No
Return C2 Pointers : Yes
Read CD-R : No
Read CD-RW : No
Read DVD-ROM : No
Read DVD-RAM : No
Read DVD-R : No
Read DVD-RW : No
Read DVD+R : No
Read DVD+RW : No
Read Digital Audio : Yes
Read CD+G : No
Read VideoCD : Yes

Write CD-R : No
Write CD-RW : No
Write DVD-R : No
Write DVD-RW : No
Write DVD+R : No
Write DVD+RW : No
Write DVD-RAM : No
Buffer Underrun Protection : No
Mount Rainier : No
Modes : n/a

Disc Information (F:\)
-------------------
Type : - no disc inserted -

Drive Information
-----------------
Drive : GENERIC CD-R CRD-R800S
Type : CD-R Recorder
Firmware Version : 1.24
Buffer Size : 1800 KB
Date : 04-08-99
Serial Number : ?
Drive Letter : E:\
Location : 1:4
Mechanism : Tray
Read Speed (Max.) : 20 X
Write Speed (Max.) : 8 X

Read CD Text : No
Return C2 Pointers : No
Read CD-R : Yes
Read CD-RW : Yes
Read DVD-ROM : No
Read DVD-RAM : No
Read DVD-R : No
Read DVD-RW : No
Read DVD+R : No
Read DVD+RW : No
Read Digital Audio : Yes
Read CD+G : Yes
Read VideoCD : Yes

Write CD-R : Yes
Write CD-RW : No
Write DVD-R : No
Write DVD-RW : No
Write DVD+R : No
Write DVD+RW : No
Write DVD-RAM : No
Buffer Underrun Protection : No
Mount Rainier : No
Modes : Packet, TAO, DAO, SAO, RAW SAO, RAW DAO

Disc Information (E:\)
-------------------
Type : - no disc inserted -

Interface Information
---------------------
Adapter 1
---------
Description : Primary IDE Channel

Driver
Description : System32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys
Company : Microsoft Corporation
Version : 5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148)
Description : IDE/ATAPI Port Driver

Attached Devices
Description : Master: ST340810A
Type : Disk Drive
DMA : On
Description : Slave: E-IDE CD-ROM 40X/AKU
Type : CD-Rom Drive
DMA : Off
Autorun : On

Adapter 2
---------
Description : Advansys SCSI Host Adapter

Driver
Description : System32\DRIVERS\asc.sys
Company : Advanced System Products, Inc.
Version : 2.9I-MS (XPClient.010817-1148)
Description : AdvanSys SCSI Controller Driver

Attached Devices
Description : ID 4 (0): GENERIC CD-R CRD-R800S 1.24
Type : CD-Rom Drive
Autorun : On

Software Information
--------------------
Operating System : Windows XP
ASPI : Nero Aspi Library 2.0.1.45 Ahead Software AG

Description : Nero - Burning Rom
Version : 5, 5, 8, 0
Company : Ahead Software AG

Description : CloneCD Replicator Program
Version : 4.0.1.10
Company : Elaborate Bytes

Description : PowerDVD
Version : 4.0.1015
Company : CyberLink Corp.

wenguang · 12-09-2002

And here is what Nero InfoTool saids about the problem disc,

Disc Information (E:\)
-------------------
Type : Data CD (Mode 1)
Capacity : 00:18.18 (2 MB)
Tracks : 9
Sessions : 1
CD-R(W) Info : Prodisc, CD-R, 79:59.74

File System : ISO9660
Title : n/a
Date : 12 February 2002
Publisher : KONAMI
Application : PLAYSTATION

you can see its TOC again at the upper.
Thanks you again.

**philamber** · 13-09-2002

According to the info provided by nero's info tool your writer doesn't support dao96 writing so, unfortunately, you have no chance of successfully copying a libcrypt protected psx game. It also doesn't appear to support dao16 writing so you won't have any luck with securerom protected cds either.

*dfourthhorseman* · 13-09-2002

Quote:

According to the info provided by nero's info tool your writer doesn't support dao96 writing so, unfortunately, you have no chance of successfully copying a libcrypt protected psx game. It also doesn't appear to support dao16 writing so you won't have any luck with securerom protected cds either.

Same conclusion here. So get a new writer, go to the buying forum for advice on that, or post it on this forum if you'd like, or just burn it at a friend's house.

Good luck.

12-09-2002	#1 (permalink)
wenguang New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6	illegal TOC that CloneCD, Nero, BlindRead, VOB's and others can't beat! please help.. <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Please help, Here is detail. This cd is a PSX Game. When I use ClonyXXL, It detected as PSX/LibCrypt is using. But when I make an image file. The output image file is just about 3 megs. Very fast reading data. Here is what I suspected. Its TOC. (Same as all TOC dumpers) CD TOC file, created by BlindRead 4.0.6.49 at 12/9/2002 4:50:08 CD Volume name : "" CD tracks list : ---------------- 1 Session(s) - 9 Track(s) (9 Data,0 Audio) ------------------------------------------ Track 01 - MODE 2 - 00:00:00 (000000) to 99:57:74 (-000151) Track 02 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151) Track 03 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151) Track 04 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151) Track 05 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151) Track 06 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151) Track 07 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151) Track 08 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 99:57:74 (-000151) Track 09 - MODE 2 - 99:58:00 (-000150) to 00:18:17 (001367) Thanks you for all helping! ^_^

12-09-2002	#3 (permalink)
wenguang New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6	more infos In Device Manger, My Reader = AOpen 40x MTRP My Writer = GENERIC CD-R CRD-R800S SCSI CDROM DEVICE And the game's name is Winning Eleven 2003. (It doesn't used this protection in all previous ver.) My burn box, AMD Athlon XP 1400+ DDR 256 Mb HDD 40 Gb GeForce 2 MX Windows XP Pro, Me Thanks for ur help, ^_^

12-09-2002	#4 (permalink)
wenguang New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6	forget! My writer is Caravelle's but Device manager can't detect the brand name.

12-09-2002	#5 (permalink)
wenguang New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6	more infos When I open the drive in My Computer, It show all files and folders in root dir. But when I want to access some file with Notepad It said "Cannot open the xxx.xxx file" and I've tried to open with UltraEdit It said "Error reading file!". Ok, then I try to open the folder but It failed for all folders! It said "Please insert a disk into drive X:". I thinks It's all about TOC. But I don't know how to find the real TOC of the data in CD. It works fine in PSX Console! Thanks much, ^_^

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12-09-2002	#2 (permalink)
dfourthhorseman CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 631	Whats your reader and writer? Also whats the name of the game? Need more info.

12-09-2002	#6 (permalink)
dfourthhorseman CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 631	I think it may be your writer, it may not be capable of bypassing illegal TOC if thats what it is. Also for PSX games, data subchannel read and don't repair subchannel needs to be checked in CloneCD, so make sure your writer can read the proper subchannel data too. use Nero Info Tool to see what it says about your writer: Nero InfoTool v1.02 http://www.cdspeed2000.com/files/NeroInfoTool_102.zip Also tell me what the CloneCD writer database say about it: CloneCD 4 Supported Writers http://elby.ch/english/products/clone_cd/writers/a.html

12-09-2002	#7 (permalink)
wenguang New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6	Hi, My writer didn't listed on supported by CloneCD listing. Here is what Nero InfoTool saids, Thanks yah! Drive Information ----------------- Drive : E-IDE CD-ROM 40X/AKU Type : CD-ROM Drive Firmware Version : U40 Buffer Size : 128 KB Date : ? Serial Number : ? Drive Letter : F:\ Location : 0:1 Mechanism : Tray Read Speed (Max.) : 48 X Write Speed (Max.) : n/a Read CD Text : No Return C2 Pointers : Yes Read CD-R : No Read CD-RW : No Read DVD-ROM : No Read DVD-RAM : No Read DVD-R : No Read DVD-RW : No Read DVD+R : No Read DVD+RW : No Read Digital Audio : Yes Read CD+G : No Read VideoCD : Yes Write CD-R : No Write CD-RW : No Write DVD-R : No Write DVD-RW : No Write DVD+R : No Write DVD+RW : No Write DVD-RAM : No Buffer Underrun Protection : No Mount Rainier : No Modes : n/a Disc Information (F:\) ------------------- Type : - no disc inserted - Drive Information ----------------- Drive : GENERIC CD-R CRD-R800S Type : CD-R Recorder Firmware Version : 1.24 Buffer Size : 1800 KB Date : 04-08-99 Serial Number : ? Drive Letter : E:\ Location : 1:4 Mechanism : Tray Read Speed (Max.) : 20 X Write Speed (Max.) : 8 X Read CD Text : No Return C2 Pointers : No Read CD-R : Yes Read CD-RW : Yes Read DVD-ROM : No Read DVD-RAM : No Read DVD-R : No Read DVD-RW : No Read DVD+R : No Read DVD+RW : No Read Digital Audio : Yes Read CD+G : Yes Read VideoCD : Yes Write CD-R : Yes Write CD-RW : No Write DVD-R : No Write DVD-RW : No Write DVD+R : No Write DVD+RW : No Write DVD-RAM : No Buffer Underrun Protection : No Mount Rainier : No Modes : Packet, TAO, DAO, SAO, RAW SAO, RAW DAO Disc Information (E:\) ------------------- Type : - no disc inserted - Interface Information --------------------- Adapter 1 --------- Description : Primary IDE Channel Driver Description : System32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys Company : Microsoft Corporation Version : 5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148) Description : IDE/ATAPI Port Driver Attached Devices Description : Master: ST340810A Type : Disk Drive DMA : On Description : Slave: E-IDE CD-ROM 40X/AKU Type : CD-Rom Drive DMA : Off Autorun : On Adapter 2 --------- Description : Advansys SCSI Host Adapter Driver Description : System32\DRIVERS\asc.sys Company : Advanced System Products, Inc. Version : 2.9I-MS (XPClient.010817-1148) Description : AdvanSys SCSI Controller Driver Attached Devices Description : ID 4 (0): GENERIC CD-R CRD-R800S 1.24 Type : CD-Rom Drive Autorun : On Software Information -------------------- Operating System : Windows XP ASPI : Nero Aspi Library 2.0.1.45 Ahead Software AG Description : Nero - Burning Rom Version : 5, 5, 8, 0 Company : Ahead Software AG Description : CloneCD Replicator Program Version : 4.0.1.10 Company : Elaborate Bytes Description : PowerDVD Version : 4.0.1015 Company : CyberLink Corp.

12-09-2002	#8 (permalink)
wenguang New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6	And here is what Nero InfoTool saids about the problem disc, Disc Information (E:\) ------------------- Type : Data CD (Mode 1) Capacity : 00:18.18 (2 MB) Tracks : 9 Sessions : 1 CD-R(W) Info : Prodisc, CD-R, 79:59.74 File System : ISO9660 Title : n/a Date : 12 February 2002 Publisher : KONAMI Application : PLAYSTATION you can see its TOC again at the upper. Thanks you again.

13-09-2002	#9 (permalink)
philamber Legal Senior Admin Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: True Blue Posts: 6,804	According to the info provided by nero's info tool your writer doesn't support dao96 writing so, unfortunately, you have no chance of successfully copying a libcrypt protected psx game. It also doesn't appear to support dao16 writing so you won't have any luck with securerom protected cds either.