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chiapet · 27-01-2002

hello,
This is a dumb question, okay i want to backup a game, any game, so i pop it in the burner, i run clony, I then find out what protection it is using... what does this tell me?? I thought CloneCD would just copy it perfectly....Do i have to change the settings for diffrent types of protections. If so what are they? I still dont understand why you need to know what tye of protection the cd is using. Any response to this dumb question will help. Thanks

V@A · 27-01-2002

Because the games have different protections like: SafeDisk ,SecurRom ,LaserLok , Cactus or SafeDisk 2 . Thats why you have to make different settings in CloneCD. Use Clony XL - that will help you understand about the protections.

ex. for Safe Disk 2 settings are :
-Fast error Skip
-read speed max = 4x
-read retries = 3
-error corrections = none (keine)

**Da_Taxman** · 27-01-2002

That and you have to make sure that certain options are supported by your writer. Not all writers are supported by CloneCD for various options.

*oaky_88* · 27-01-2002

whats your writer

chiapet · 27-01-2002

lite on 24x

*oaky_88* · 27-01-2002

your writers works great with clonecd you dont need the AWS option

DanDaMan1487 · 27-01-2002

If you know the capabilities of your writer and it supports everything, then for you Clony is a waste of time.

In CloneCD, check every option except "Don't correct SubChannel Data (Only check this for PSX games)" and you should be able to kick any protection in the ass.

*SirDavidGuy* · 31-01-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by DanDaMan1487

In CloneCD, check every option except "Don't correct SubChannel Data (Only check this for PSX games)" and you should be able to kick any protection in the ass.

Not true. I've had games stop working because of Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner, and Don't correct subchannel data can't hurt, can it?

**G@M3FR3@K** · 01-02-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by SirDavidGuy
Not true. I've had games stop working because of Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner, and Don't correct subchannel data can't hurt, can it?

Don't repair the Subs shouldn't hurt as long as there's no SubChannel Data present on the disc. The IBSS option should be used with care since this option can skip 'healthy' sectors. The other options can be checked but it's up to you. There's no guarantee it'll work without problems.

The AWS option should also be used with care. Check if your burner supports Correct EFM Encoding and what disc type (original, back-up, AWS back-up) you're using.

*SirDavidGuy* · 01-02-2002

How would not repairing subs hurt for example, securom copies?

**spath** · 01-02-2002

> Don't correct subchannel data can't hurt, can it?

By choosing this option you take the risk of writing
wrong datas in R-W subchannels, and therefore to
get bad CD+G/CD-Text copies. Securom does not
use these subchannels so this option should not
make any difference... actually i don't know a single
protection which would make a difference if you use
this option all the time.

*SirDavidGuy* · 03-02-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by spath
> Don't correct subchannel data can't hurt, can it?

Securom does not use these subchannels so this option should not
make any difference...

What are you talking about???

Securom has always used SubChannels.

**spath** · 03-02-2002

> What are you talking about???
> Securom has always used SubChannels.

Please pay attention to what I write : I said
that Securom does not use R-W subchannels,
only Q. Wether this option is ticked or not or
grayed does not matter for Securom.

*SirDavidGuy* · 04-02-2002

My mistake, sorry.

**FutureProof** · 04-02-2002

It's true that only PSX CDs require uncorrected Q channel data. If it's corrected the guard module will win and not allow the title to run.

Why should you not tick this with PC titles? You tell me why you need to.

*SirDavidGuy* · 04-02-2002

Why wouldn't you?

If it can't hurt, and backs up PSX/PS2 Cd's, what's wrong with it?

DanDaMan1487 · 04-02-2002

Sorry. I had a mistake too.

Check every option EXCEPT "intelligent bad sector scanner" which you should use only when needed (sparingly).

I was a little absent-minded there. Sorry about that misunderstanding.

*Huzzy* · 15-02-2002

this is a big thread......im not going to read it all..im just going to be a jerk and whinge about the topic line "confused i am"

make a little effort next time eh.
use a capital for "I"

27-01-2002	#1 (permalink)
chiapet CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: US Posts: 53	confused....iam <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> hello, This is a dumb question, okay i want to backup a game, any game, so i pop it in the burner, i run clony, I then find out what protection it is using... what does this tell me?? I thought CloneCD would just copy it perfectly....Do i have to change the settings for diffrent types of protections. If so what are they? I still dont understand why you need to know what tye of protection the cd is using. Any response to this dumb question will help. Thanks

27-01-2002	#3 (permalink)
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27-01-2002	#7 (permalink)
DanDaMan1487 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hiding in DaTaxMan's house (you wont find me, Tax!) HINT* Look in the wine cellar Posts: 483	If you know the capabilities of your writer and it supports everything, then for you Clony is a waste of time. In CloneCD, check every option except "Don't correct SubChannel Data (Only check this for PSX games)" and you should be able to kick any protection in the ass. __________________ FACTS OF THIS 4-MONTH QUARTER The animal most often hallucinated by someone experiencing drug or alcohol withdrawls is a black or grey dog Most people put on their left sock first.

04-02-2002	#15 (permalink)
FutureProof Senior Admin Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: True Blue Posts: 5,606	It's true that only PSX CDs require uncorrected Q channel data. If it's corrected the guard module will win and not allow the title to run. Why should you not tick this with PC titles? You tell me why you need to. __________________ :ÐowN AsS ± ßû(r)NêR: Try our Search function > Words on Netiquette 24, 32, 40 & 52X Liteons, 16, 40, 48 & 52X ASUS', Ricoh MP7163A, Acer 1610A CD writers; Toshiba SD-M1402, Hitachi GD-7500 & Liteon LTD-163D DVD-ROMs; Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD writer combo; NEC CloneDrive; Matshita DVD RAM/-R/-RW UJ-810 PEBKAC: Click here when asked AXDA3000DKV4D Atlhon 3000+ Model 10 Barton; Twin, Dual-Channeled Corsair CMX512-2700C2 @ 2-3-3-6-T1; GA-7N400 Pro F12; crappy vid card; Twin (base) WD2500JD drives There are two secrets to success: 1) Don't tell everyone everything There are 10 types of people who understand binary: those who do and those who don't Who Are YOU?

04-02-2002	#17 (permalink)
DanDaMan1487 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hiding in DaTaxMan's house (you wont find me, Tax!) HINT* Look in the wine cellar Posts: 483	Sorry. I had a mistake too. Check every option EXCEPT "intelligent bad sector scanner" which you should use only when needed (sparingly). I was a little absent-minded there. Sorry about that misunderstanding. __________________ FACTS OF THIS 4-MONTH QUARTER The animal most often hallucinated by someone experiencing drug or alcohol withdrawls is a black or grey dog Most people put on their left sock first.

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27-01-2002	#2 (permalink)
V@A CD Freaks Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 137	Because the games have different protections like: SafeDisk ,SecurRom ,LaserLok , Cactus or SafeDisk 2 . Thats why you have to make different settings in CloneCD. Use Clony XL - that will help you understand about the protections. ex. for Safe Disk 2 settings are : -Fast error Skip -read speed max = 4x -read retries = 3 -error corrections = none (keine)

27-01-2002	#4 (permalink)
oaky_88 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: HELL Posts: 505	whats your writer

27-01-2002	#5 (permalink)
chiapet CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: US Posts: 53	lite on 24x

27-01-2002	#6 (permalink)
oaky_88 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: HELL Posts: 505	your writers works great with clonecd you dont need the AWS option

01-02-2002	#10 (permalink)
SirDavidGuy CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,467	How would not repairing subs hurt for example, securom copies?

01-02-2002	#11 (permalink)
spath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 967	> Don't correct subchannel data can't hurt, can it? By choosing this option you take the risk of writing wrong datas in R-W subchannels, and therefore to get bad CD+G/CD-Text copies. Securom does not use these subchannels so this option should not make any difference... actually i don't know a single protection which would make a difference if you use this option all the time.

03-02-2002	#13 (permalink)
spath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 967	> What are you talking about??? > Securom has always used SubChannels. Please pay attention to what I write : I said that Securom does not use R-W subchannels, only Q. Wether this option is ticked or not or grayed does not matter for Securom.

04-02-2002	#14 (permalink)
SirDavidGuy CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,467	My mistake, sorry.

04-02-2002	#16 (permalink)
SirDavidGuy CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,467	Why wouldn't you? If it can't hurt, and backs up PSX/PS2 Cd's, what's wrong with it?

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15-02-2002	#18 (permalink)
Huzzy Resigned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,074	this is a big thread......im not going to read it all..im just going to be a jerk and whinge about the topic line "confused i am" make a little effort next time eh. use a capital for "I"