catch 22 I think?? - Club CDFreaks

woodypb · 29-04-2002

Hi everyone

sorry for the rushed previous question! had to dash!
love the forum have watched and read for a while now
but only joined today.
don't suppose I will post a lot because I usually what I'm
looking for if I read the posts
anyway!

my problem is:-
I have a psx boot disk to allow me to play my backups
only thing is it gets put in and out more than the backups
themselves and is getting quite scratched so as I said this may be a catch 22 but I want to try and backup this disk. now I know the backup would be on a cdr and my psone wont read cdr without the boot disk placed in first.
see my prob!!!
any help at all would be most appreciated

ps would physical hiding the atip work if it was poss. and HOW??

*SirDavidGuy* · 30-04-2002

It is indeed a catch-22. The ATIP is indestructible without destroying the original data (note that this is not technically true, just almost technically true).

The only way to play the boot disc is to have another boot-disc, or a modchip. But this defeats the purpose of having a boot-disc, doesn't it?

woodypb · 30-04-2002

thanks for replying SirDavidGuy
next question
destroy it .....NO
hide it.......????
is it possible?

*SirDavidGuy* · 30-04-2002

Well yes, you can hide it with embedded software, but again, you would need a bootable disc to hide it.

It's really a moot point, since the PSX doesn't rely on ATIP checking for copy-protection. It relies on Boot Sector Protection.

DanDaMan1487 · 01-05-2002

Well I have come to the conclusion that the Boot Sector Protection is not relied upon SubChannel data nor bad sectors/ECC data. I know this because I compared with HexEditors, CDR-Win, etc...

So the CD-Rom can't read it or it is ATIP. I very strongly believe it is ATIP!

woodypb · 01-05-2002

guy's I tried to mask the atip with a marker pen until my cdrw went crazy looking for it
then I put the disk in my dvdrom and it saw the psx prog immediately so!!! I guess I physically hid the atip but still it did not work tough sh*t I guess

29-04-2002	#1 (permalink)
woodypb CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 68	catch 22 I think?? rewritten <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Hi everyone sorry for the rushed previous question! had to dash! love the forum have watched and read for a while now but only joined today. don't suppose I will post a lot because I usually what I'm looking for if I read the posts anyway! my problem is:- I have a psx boot disk to allow me to play my backups only thing is it gets put in and out more than the backups themselves and is getting quite scratched so as I said this may be a catch 22 but I want to try and backup this disk. now I know the backup would be on a cdr and my psone wont read cdr without the boot disk placed in first. see my prob!!! any help at all would be most appreciated ps would physical hiding the atip work if it was poss. and HOW?? __________________ Gigabyte GA-7VRXP Mobo Amd Athlon 2200+ Liteon 52246s Cdrw Toshiba SD-M1712 DVD Rom Pioneer A06 DVD-R 2xWestern Digital WD800BB HDD Crucial 256MB DDR Nvidia TNT2 M64 Win 98SE Last edited by woodypb; 30-04-2002 at 02:02.

30-04-2002	#3 (permalink)
woodypb CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 68	indestructable thanks for replying SirDavidGuy next question destroy it .....NO hide it.......???? is it possible? __________________ Gigabyte GA-7VRXP Mobo Amd Athlon 2200+ Liteon 52246s Cdrw Toshiba SD-M1712 DVD Rom Pioneer A06 DVD-R 2xWestern Digital WD800BB HDD Crucial 256MB DDR Nvidia TNT2 M64 Win 98SE

01-05-2002	#5 (permalink)
DanDaMan1487 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hiding in DaTaxMan's house (you wont find me, Tax!) HINT* Look in the wine cellar Posts: 483	Well I have come to the conclusion that the Boot Sector Protection is not relied upon SubChannel data nor bad sectors/ECC data. I know this because I compared with HexEditors, CDR-Win, etc... So the CD-Rom can't read it or it is ATIP. I very strongly believe it is ATIP! __________________ FACTS OF THIS 4-MONTH QUARTER The animal most often hallucinated by someone experiencing drug or alcohol withdrawls is a black or grey dog Most people put on their left sock first.

01-05-2002	#6 (permalink)
woodypb CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 68	I tried this guy's I tried to mask the atip with a marker pen until my cdrw went crazy looking for it then I put the disk in my dvdrom and it saw the psx prog immediately so!!! I guess I physically hid the atip but still it did not work tough sh*t I guess __________________ Gigabyte GA-7VRXP Mobo Amd Athlon 2200+ Liteon 52246s Cdrw Toshiba SD-M1712 DVD Rom Pioneer A06 DVD-R 2xWestern Digital WD800BB HDD Crucial 256MB DDR Nvidia TNT2 M64 Win 98SE

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30-04-2002	#2 (permalink)
SirDavidGuy CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,467	It is indeed a catch-22. The ATIP is indestructible without destroying the original data (note that this is not technically true, just almost technically true). The only way to play the boot disc is to have another boot-disc, or a modchip. But this defeats the purpose of having a boot-disc, doesn't it?

30-04-2002	#4 (permalink)
SirDavidGuy CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,467	Well yes, you can hide it with embedded software, but again, you would need a bootable disc to hide it. It's really a moot point, since the PSX doesn't rely on ATIP checking for copy-protection. It relies on Boot Sector Protection.