Verbatim DLP vs. 5 drives - Club CDFreaks

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

Hi,

Here is another comparision. This time, it's Verbatim Data Life Plus with buzzwords "Crystal", "Super Azo", "Double Protection", "Scratch Resistant" "Ultimate Performance Media" on the spindle. Well, let's see

The media:
Verbatim Data Life Plus 52x Made in India, written @40x in this contest.

The drives:
- Liteon SOHR-5239V 2$0D (USB connected; Myson Century USB-IDE-Adapter)
- LG GSA-4163 A106
- Benq DW 1650 BCDC
- Samsung SH-W163A TS01 (SATA connected; Promise PDC 20579)
- Liteon SHM-165P6S MS0P (USB connected; Cypress enclosure)

The test:
Disc creation test in Nero CD/DVD Speed 4.51.3, write speed was set to 40x. Any of those drives supports that speed with that media.
Discs were scanned with
- Nero CD/DVD speed 4.51.3 using the Benq DW 1650 DVDRW drive
and
- Kprobe 2.5.2 using the Liteon SOHR-5239V CDRW drive

Let's go!

Michael

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

Let's start with the Benq DW 1650 BCDC:

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

Next is LG GSA 4163B A106:

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

Sony DW-G120A@Liteon SHM-165P6S MS0P (USB):

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

Another Litey -
Liteon SOHR-5239V 2$0D (USB)

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

Last drive here is
Samsung SH-W163A TS01 (SATA)

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

The results table:

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

And just for fun:
MSI CR52-A2 @ Optorite CW5201 220E

The Benq is freakin' out with that disc

kg_evilboy · 23-07-2006

Now that's really frigging funny seeing those beautiful C2 errors!

**DrageMester** · 23-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by kg_evilboy

Now that's really frigging funny seeing those beautiful C2 errors!

Those are not C2 errors but rather reading glitches during scanning.
They could be due to a real problem or they could simply be the result of quirky scanning behaviour - it's difficult or impossible to know for sure.

**Arachne** · 23-07-2006

Whoa...C2!!! Not on the 4163 or 1650 though, I'm very pleased to see

(Edit: Just seen Drage's response to the C2 thing

)

Cheers, Michael, I'm loving these comparison threads - nice of you to take the time for us

**mciahel** · 23-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by kg_evilboy

Now that's really frigging funny seeing those beautiful C2 errors!

See my answer in http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...40&postcount=9

Michael

scoobiedoobie · 23-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mciahel

See my answer in http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...40&postcount=9

Michael

It's like Deja Vu all over again.

**DrageMester** · 23-07-2006

Regarding the green "read errors" shown in (some) KProbe2 scans

Here's a brief explanation from The Big KProbe2 Thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

Set error color and value These set how a "read error" is displayed when scanning CDR/RW for C1/C2. Please note that these erors are not the same as C2, and are not "unreadable sectors", but simply indicate that the PUH has skipped over that sector. This occurs either as a result of unreadable data (high C2), or as a result of PUH slipping. A few of these errors are normal on most drives.

**Arachne** · 23-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrageMester

Regarding the green "read errors" shown in (some) KProbe2 scans

Here's a brief explanation from The Big KProbe2 Thread:

Thanks for that Drage - a lot clearer now!

Hehe, and I just realised I missed the ones on the 4163 scan...whoops

muchin · 26-07-2006

Michael

Did you carry out typing or other tasks while checking BLER? Are those errors (green) repeatable?

muchin · 26-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrageMester

Those are not C2 errors but rather reading glitches during scanning.
They could be due to a real problem or they could simply be the result of quirky scanning behaviour - it's difficult or impossible to know for sure.

It is possible to know. If those are not repeatable, they are probably artifacts. When repeatable, they will be reflected in bad blocks (containing uncorrectable errors) in the read test under ScanDisc at that speed if the disc is not an audio CD. Some data files will be unreadable in the most serious cases. Slowdowns or halt in transfer rate test may also occur.

muchin · 26-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrageMester

Regarding the green "read errors" shown in (some) KProbe2 scans

Here's a brief explanation from The Big KProbe2 Thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

Set error color and value These set how a "read error" is displayed when scanning CDR/RW for C1/C2. Please note that these erors are not the same as C2, and are not "unreadable sectors", but simply indicate that the PUH has skipped over that sector. This occurs either as a result of unreadable data (high C2), or as a result of PUH slipping. A few of these errors are normal on most drives.

What rdgrimes said is not self consistent. "Unreadable sectors" will result in “unreadable data”.

**DrageMester** · 26-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by muchin

It is possible to know. If those are not repeatable, they are probably artifacts. When repeatable, they will be reflected in bad blocks (containing uncorrectable errors) in the read test under ScanDisc at that speed if the disc is not an audio CD. Some data files will be unreadable in the most serious cases. Slowdowns or halt in transfer rate test may also occur.

You are right, of course, but I only meant that it was difficult or imposible to know by looking at the posted KProbe scan only! I guess I should have been more clear.

Quote:

What rdgrimes said is not self consistent. "Unreadable sectors" contain “unreadable data”.

I think what rdgrimes was saying is the same thing I said: You cannot conclude by looking only at the KProbe scan that the green "read errors" are unreadable sectors, because that is only *one* of the possible explanations, and usually it's the wrong one.

muchin · 27-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrageMester

I think what rdgrimes was saying is the same thing I said: You cannot conclude by looking only at the KProbe scan that the green "read errors" are unreadable sectors, because that is only *one* of the possible explanations, and usually it's the wrong one.

It seems that you can read the mind of rdgrimes , whereas I am simple-minded.

**DrageMester** · 28-07-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by muchin

It seems that you can read the mind of rdgrimes , whereas I am simple-minded.

LOL!

I have no such powers I assure you.

I merely interpret posts as best I can.

23-07-2006	#1 (permalink)
mciahel Moderator & Devices Editor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,648	Verbatim DLP vs. 5 drives <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Hi, Here is another comparision. This time, it's Verbatim Data Life Plus with buzzwords "Crystal", "Super Azo", "Double Protection", "Scratch Resistant" "Ultimate Performance Media" on the spindle. Well, let's see The media: Verbatim Data Life Plus 52x Made in India, written @40x in this contest. The drives: - Liteon SOHR-5239V 2$0D (USB connected; Myson Century USB-IDE-Adapter) - LG GSA-4163 A106 - Benq DW 1650 BCDC - Samsung SH-W163A TS01 (SATA connected; Promise PDC 20579) - Liteon SHM-165P6S MS0P (USB connected; Cypress enclosure) The test: Disc creation test in Nero CD/DVD Speed 4.51.3, write speed was set to 40x. Any of those drives supports that speed with that media. Discs were scanned with - Nero CD/DVD speed 4.51.3 using the Benq DW 1650 DVDRW drive and - Kprobe 2.5.2 using the Liteon SOHR-5239V CDRW drive Let's go! Michael __________________ My system, including optical drives * Mini-FAQ for Samsung DVD writers Click here to join CDFreaks.com * How to attach disc quality scans: >klick<

23-07-2006	#9 (permalink)
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23-07-2006	#11 (permalink)
Arachne Senior Moderator & Reviewer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Keeping my media stash safe. Posts: 25,380	Re: Verbatim DLP vs. 5 drives Whoa...C2!!! Not on the 4163 or 1650 though, I'm very pleased to see (Edit: Just seen Drage's response to the C2 thing ) Cheers, Michael, I'm loving these comparison threads - nice of you to take the time for us __________________ Current drives: Samsung SH-S203N (SB02 patched) + Pioneer DVR-115D (1.06) + Optiarc AD-5170S (1.12) + Litey LH-20A1H (LL0D) + Samsung SH-S182D (SB06 RPC1) x2 + Litey SHM-165P6S (MS0R) + LG E10N (JE07) + BenQ DW1650 (BCDC) x2 + Litey SHW-1635S (YV6P) x2 + BenQ DW1640@164B (BEFB) + LG 4167B (DL13 TDB) + Samsung SH-S162L (TS08) + NEC ND-4551A (1.Z2) + LG GCE-8520B (1.00) + LiteOn SOHR-5239S (2S0B) Retired: LiteOn LDW-851@SOHW-832 + LiteOn SOHW-1693S + LG 4163B My Review PCs How to delete your upper and lower filters : How to check/enable DMA by Womble Click here to join cdfreaks.com and be part of our friendly community! The CDFreaks Distributed Computing Teams need YOU! Join the Team(s) and help save some lives! Read more here

26-07-2006	#16 (permalink)
muchin CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Formosa Posts: 299	Re: Verbatim DLP vs. 5 drives Michael Did you carry out typing or other tasks while checking BLER? Are those errors (green) repeatable?

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