Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! - Club CDFreaks

bsgd · 15-08-2006

Well I just found some CD-Rs that I bought 9 years ago! Here's the info about them:

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : CD-R
Manufacturer: : Pioneer
MID : 97m27s33f
Write speeds: : 4 X - 8 X - 16 X
Capacity: : 74:50.01
: 657 MB
Extended Information
Usage : General
Disc Status : Closed
Raw Data
ATIP
0000 - E0 00 80 00 61 1B 21 00 4A 32 01 00 00 00 00 00 - ....a.!.J2......
0010 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ........

To my surprise, I just burned one of these at 4X and the resulst was fantastic (especially for such an old media).
What really surprises me the most is that I could never achieve 98% with any media I can find nowadays here where I live (Brazil).... all I can find here are those cheap phtalo, and the best score I ever got was 97%!
Well I guess I should have bought more of this media 9 years ago!

*CJ2* · 15-08-2006

As good as new it seems

kg_evilboy · 15-08-2006

Ah... MIJ Pioneer media. They also made a few legendary DVD-R and DVD-RW discs...
*drools*
Were those Cyanine, Azo or Phthalocyanine?

**Arachne** · 15-08-2006

Mmmmmmmm, very nice

bsgd · 15-08-2006

@kg_evilboy:The're Cyanine, MIJ 74Min Pioneer... I'll try to find a picture of it and post it here (I don't have a digital camera to take a picture

)

@CJ2: Well its actually much better than all Phtalo CD-Rs I have burned to date !

If I knew these discs were so good i wolud have bought 1000's of them!!!

**mciahel** · 15-08-2006

Very nice

Michael

steven2874 · 15-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsgd

@kg_evilboy:The're Cyanine, MIJ 74Min Pioneer... I'll try to find a picture of it and post it here (I don't have a digital camera to take a picture

)

@CJ2: Well its actually much better than all Phtalo CD-Rs I have burned to date !

If I knew these discs were so good i wolud have bought 1000's of them!!!

Thousands of CD-R's would have cost a bundle 9 years ago if memory serves.

**Jesterrace** · 15-08-2006

Yes, they certainly would've. I didn't get into burning CDs until 1999 and they were still pretty expensive at that point.

bsgd · 15-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by steven2874

Thousands of CD-R's would have cost a bundle 9 years ago if memory serves.

Well thats true!
But you have to agree that they don't make CD-Rs like they used to anymore!!!

I just found a Verbatim 24x AZO too that I might burn to see the results.... it was bought in 2001.

kg_evilboy · 16-08-2006

Indeed! They might have cost an arm and a leg, but they were worth it!
At least TY and Mitsubishi still make discs which are the next to the discs from the old days.

*_chef_* · 16-08-2006

9 years ago.... yeah, memory is coming back.

I may have some KODAK CD-Rs lying around, not sure.

**Arachne** · 16-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by _chef_

9 years ago.... yeah, memory is coming back.

I may have some KODAK CD-Rs lying around, not sure.

Hehe, the very first CDRs I used were Kodak.

**MegaDETH** · 16-08-2006

Sweet Burn

That reminds me I have some old Memorex TY's I dug up a while back, don't know how
old they are but I will give them a test

Bryan S · 16-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaDETH

Sweet Burn

That reminds me I have some old Memorex TY's I dug up a while back, don't know how
old they are but I will give them a test

That reminds me also. I have a 50 pack of PNY Black Diamond 16X CD-Rs that are 4-5 years old.

scoobiedoobie · 16-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan S

That reminds me also. I have a 50 pack of PNY Black Diamond 16X CD-Rs that are 4-5 years old.

I have some old PNY CD-Rs, those stupid things, the top layer would peel on them if you looked at them the wrong way.

Worked fine otherwise. These were silver-topped, probably about 16x. Never have paid attention to their media code, I may even have some unburned somewhere.

Bryan S · 16-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobiedoobie

I have some old PNY CD-Rs, those stupid things, the top layer would peel on them if you looked at them the wrong way.

Worked fine otherwise. These were silver-topped, probably about 16x. Never have paid attention to their media code, I may even have some unburned somewhere.

Never had that problem with them. I have about 100 or so CDs backed up on the Black Diamond ones. The only problem i had is that some players have a hard time reading them because of the black surface.

All my new stuff reads them just fine but back in the day it was a crap shoot.

bsgd · 16-08-2006

Well unfortunatelly I coundn't find any picture of this pioneer CD-R on the web, but anyway... its got a cyanine dye and gold reflective layer, just like some old KODAK CDs (BTW I also found 1 one of this, but haven't burned it).
I just wish all CD-Rs currently available had that quality... i couln't reproduce this result with a brand new Maxell Audio CD-R from TY!

*_chef_* · 16-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arachne

Hehe, the very first CDRs I used were Kodak.

Philips and Kodak here first because others were not available and then later hundreds of RICOHs. Great stuff.

**Arachne** · 16-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by _chef_

Philips and Kodak here first because others were not available and then later hundreds of RICOHs. Great stuff.

Yeah, Kodak was all I could get back in those days as well. Some time after, I started to use Samsung and Memorex, which were surprisingly good back then, lasted quite awhile. Only recently did I ditch a couple of the Memorexes (Ritek-made, BTW).

**DrageMester** · 16-08-2006

To satisfy my own curiosity I just burned a 7 years old CD-R.

Kodak Ultima Silver+Gold CD-R 12x 700MB (Eastman Kodak type 5)
Burned at 8x (highest supported speed) in my NEC ND-4551A 1-X3

Disc Quality scan at 32x in NEC 4551
Disc Quality scan at 32x in BenQ 1655
Read Transfer test in BenQ 1655

Not too shabby for 7 year old blank media.

This media is supposed to be very good for archiving, but it's not good for handling because the reflective layer is the top layer (no lacquer as far as I can tell) and it's very fragile.

**Arachne** · 16-08-2006

Thanks for sharing those, Drage - great scans (and TRT)

**MegaDETH** · 17-08-2006

Update on the Memorex Taiyo Yuden CDR's

I am still not sure when they were bought, I emailed my friend who
bought them, I am thinking 5-8 years old for sure.

Here is a Burn at 8x with my LG 4163

and TRT with my Benq 1655

**DrageMester** · 17-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaDETH

Here is a Burn at 8x with my LG 4163

and TRT with my Benq 1655

Very nice indeed!

**Arachne** · 17-08-2006

That is nice, MegaDETH - gotta love that 4163, eh?

kg_evilboy · 17-08-2006

Sw33t! I guess they have straight hub codes?

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kg_evilboy Sneaker Fetishist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sneaker heaven Posts: 5,281	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Ah... MIJ Pioneer media. They also made a few legendary DVD-R and DVD-RW discs... drools Were those Cyanine, Azo or Phthalocyanine? __________________ My collection: 2x Plextor PX-716A 1.09, Lite-On SHW-16H5S @ 1635S YS0Z, Samsung TS-L632B TS01, Lite-On LTR-16101B TS0W, LG GCE-8527B 1.01 LG GSA-H10N @ H12N UJ12 (dead), BenQ DW1650 BCIC (sold) Canon Pixma iP4300 For details on my other (sneaker) collection, please PM me! (You must be into sneakers too to get your info ) Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!” T6 C1 L2(s)v h d++ a- w++ c+ y+ f+ t+ k- s m1- q-

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Arachne Senior Moderator & Reviewer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Keeping my media stash safe. Posts: 23,885	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Mmmmmmmm, very nice __________________ Current drives: Pioneer DVR-115D (1.06) + Optiarc AD-5170S (1.12) + Litey LH-20A1H (LL0D) + Samsung SH-S182D (SB06 RPC1) x2 + Litey SHM-165P6S (MS0R) + LG E10N (JE07) + BenQ DW1650 (BCDC) x2 + Litey SHW-1635S (YV6P) x2 + BenQ DW1640@164B (BEFB) + LG 4167B (DL13 TDB) + Samsung SH-S162L (TS08) + NEC ND-4551A (1.Z2) + LG GCE-8520B (1.00) + LiteOn SOHR-5239S (2S0B) Retired: LiteOn LDW-851@SOHW-832 + LiteOn SOHW-1693S + LG 4163B My Review PCs How to delete your upper and lower filters : How to check/enable DMA by Womble Click here to join cdfreaks.com and be part of our friendly community! The CDFreaks Distributed Computing Teams need YOU! Join the Team(s) and help save some lives! Read more here

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bsgd CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 93	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! @kg_evilboy:The're Cyanine, MIJ 74Min Pioneer... I'll try to find a picture of it and post it here (I don't have a digital camera to take a picture ) @CJ2: Well its actually much better than all Phtalo CD-Rs I have burned to date ! If I knew these discs were so good i wolud have bought 1000's of them!!!

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mciahel Moderator & Devices Editor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,106	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Very nice Michael __________________ My system, including optical drives * Mini-FAQ for Samsung DVD writers Click here to join CDFreaks.com * How to attach disc quality scans: >klick<

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Jesterrace Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,530	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Yes, they certainly would've. I didn't get into burning CDs until 1999 and they were still pretty expensive at that point.

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kg_evilboy Sneaker Fetishist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sneaker heaven Posts: 5,281	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Indeed! They might have cost an arm and a leg, but they were worth it! At least TY and Mitsubishi still make discs which are the next to the discs from the old days. __________________ My collection: 2x Plextor PX-716A 1.09, Lite-On SHW-16H5S @ 1635S YS0Z, Samsung TS-L632B TS01, Lite-On LTR-16101B TS0W, LG GCE-8527B 1.01 LG GSA-H10N @ H12N UJ12 (dead), BenQ DW1650 BCIC (sold) Canon Pixma iP4300 For details on my other (sneaker) collection, please PM me! (You must be into sneakers too to get your info ) Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!” T6 C1 L2(s)v h d++ a- w++ c+ y+ f+ t+ k- s m1- q-

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MegaDETH CD Freaks Senior Reviewer & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Watertown Posts: 3,361	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Sweet Burn That reminds me I have some old Memorex TY's I dug up a while back, don't know how old they are but I will give them a test

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bsgd CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 93	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Well unfortunatelly I coundn't find any picture of this pioneer CD-R on the web, but anyway... its got a cyanine dye and gold reflective layer, just like some old KODAK CDs (BTW I also found 1 one of this, but haven't burned it). I just wish all CD-Rs currently available had that quality... i couln't reproduce this result with a brand new Maxell Audio CD-R from TY!

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Arachne Senior Moderator & Reviewer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Keeping my media stash safe. Posts: 23,885	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Thanks for sharing those, Drage - great scans (and TRT) __________________ Current drives: Pioneer DVR-115D (1.06) + Optiarc AD-5170S (1.12) + Litey LH-20A1H (LL0D) + Samsung SH-S182D (SB06 RPC1) x2 + Litey SHM-165P6S (MS0R) + LG E10N (JE07) + BenQ DW1650 (BCDC) x2 + Litey SHW-1635S (YV6P) x2 + BenQ DW1640@164B (BEFB) + LG 4167B (DL13 TDB) + Samsung SH-S162L (TS08) + NEC ND-4551A (1.Z2) + LG GCE-8520B (1.00) + LiteOn SOHR-5239S (2S0B) Retired: LiteOn LDW-851@SOHW-832 + LiteOn SOHW-1693S + LG 4163B My Review PCs How to delete your upper and lower filters : How to check/enable DMA by Womble Click here to join cdfreaks.com and be part of our friendly community! The CDFreaks Distributed Computing Teams need YOU! Join the Team(s) and help save some lives! Read more here

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kg_evilboy Sneaker Fetishist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sneaker heaven Posts: 5,281	Re: Just burned a 9 years old CD-R! Sw33t! I guess they have straight hub codes? __________________ My collection: 2x Plextor PX-716A 1.09, Lite-On SHW-16H5S @ 1635S YS0Z, Samsung TS-L632B TS01, Lite-On LTR-16101B TS0W, LG GCE-8527B 1.01 LG GSA-H10N @ H12N UJ12 (dead), BenQ DW1650 BCIC (sold) Canon Pixma iP4300 For details on my other (sneaker) collection, please PM me! (You must be into sneakers too to get your info ) Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!” T6 C1 L2(s)v h d++ a- w++ c+ y+ f+ t+ k- s m1- q-

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