Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ - Club CDFreaks

SG · 10-04-2008

Well, I was disappointed after burning off my Gamecube games today - pretty shoddy quality rates and very few worked.

Anyway, I've emailed SVP (in UK) about returning them, will get reply tomorrow. My question is: should I send the burned discs back? I'll stand t lose money if I don't.

I mean, they're backups of games that I own but it's still a grey area, legally speaking.

*cd pirate* · 10-04-2008

Well, would the discs work if they weren't just being used for the GC? That's my first question.

They could be returned I guess, you do own the games so it's not like you're doing anything illegal.

It's up to you really but if you can use those discs to play in a dvd player, it may be better just to use them for that purpose only.

SG · 10-04-2008

But I don't need mini DVDs for my DVD player.

I mean, DVDs have both data and video usage applications- I bought these 8cm DVDs for GC backups (data).

Fact is, the quality scans 75% of the time have a horrific spike in them that makes the discs unusable and a sub-50 mark on Nero CD-DVD Speed.

I have 6x 10 disc tubs of them, I've used 11 discs. Should I send the used 11 back?

*cd pirate* · 10-04-2008

Hm nah not worth the risk, just send the unopened ones back.

Ming posting some scans as well so we know what the results and media look like?

SG · 10-04-2008

Sure, I'll get on it (keep checking back).

For info on said discs, they're the Traxdata ones mentioned here: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/best-8c...-verbs-242757/

SG · 10-04-2008

OK, 1st one Super Mario Sunshine

General Information
Drive: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-115D
Firmware: 1.06
Disc: DVD-R (RITEKG04)
Selected speed: 8 X
PI errors
Maximum: 879
Average: 278.86
Total: 1551552
PI failures
Maximum: 19
Average: 0.11
Total: 4761
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning Statistics
Elapsed time: 8:34
Number of samples: 5567
Average scanning interval: 8.00 ECC
Glitches removed: 0

SG · 10-04-2008

Next up Mario Party 6

General Information
Drive: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-115D
Firmware: 1.06
Disc: DVD-R (RITEKG04)
Selected speed: 8 X
PI errors
Maximum: 736
Average: 283.91
Total: 1579665
PI failures
Maximum: 39
Average: 0.08
Total: 3751
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning Statistics
Elapsed time: 8:49
Number of samples: 5567
Average scanning interval: 8.00 ECC
Glitches removed: 0

kg_evilboy · 10-04-2008

Hmm, Pioneers are not too good as scanners.
Go to Disc Quality -> Settings -> Advanced, switch from 8ECC to 1ECC, and set the slider from Accuracy to Speed, then try scanning again.

SG · 10-04-2008

...And Mario Party 5

Yeah I also tried it on my Lite-On downstairs and got similar results.

General Information
Drive: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-115D
Firmware: 1.06
Disc: DVD-R (RITEKG04)
Selected speed: 8 X
PI errors
Maximum: 746
Average: 286.59
Total: 1594601
PI failures
Maximum: 20
Average: 0.17
Total: 7727
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning Statistics
Elapsed time: 6:41
Number of samples: 5567
Average scanning interval: 8.00 ECC
Glitches removed: 0

*_chef_* · 11-04-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by groovemeister

Well, I was disappointed after burning off my Gamecube games today - pretty shoddy quality rates and very few worked.

Anyway, I've emailed SVP (in UK) about returning them, will get reply tomorrow. My question is: should I send the burned discs back? I'll stand t lose money if I don't.

I mean, they're backups of games that I own but it's still a grey area, legally speaking.

Do these origirals come with copy protection schemes?
Is it legal in your country to make a backup of a disc which has a copy protection on it?

Ritek G04

Quality Scanning with the Pioneer is useless!

kg_evilboy · 11-04-2008

Wow, it completely ignored ECC and speed setting

Wonder whether your configuration has problems

*cd pirate* · 11-04-2008

Never use the Pioneer to test PIE/PIF. You should post the liteon scans only. No one here will trust the Pioneer scans or even take the time to analyze them (since they can't really be analyzed due to inaccuracy).

If the burns don't even load, I'd say it's not that they're poorly burning discs, just that they are crap in general and won't work no matter how well they're burnt.

SG · 11-04-2008

OK, I'll be back with some scans from the Lite-On. They're pretty much the same though.

OK, any opinion on Luigi's Mansion? I just upgraded the firmware and got this - however I did get a few OK discs so it could be a fluke. The spike still worries me though.

SG · 11-04-2008

OK, I have another scan for Luigi's Mansion from th Lite-On.

rakter · 11-04-2008

That's RitekG04 for sure!!! LOL

kg_evilboy · 11-04-2008

Hmm, the Litey scan is 1ECC and nuffin like the Pioneer one.
It's not the best but should be ok to read.

I still wonder why the Pioneer doesn't scan at 1ECC instead of 8ECC.

SG · 11-04-2008

OK, another burn with theupated firmware. Things looking up?

vGeneral Information
Drive: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1H
Firmware: LL0D
Disc: DVD-R (RITEKG04)
Selected speed: 4 X
PI errors
Maximum: 228
Average: 132.07
Total: 660225
PI failures
Maximum: 4
Average: 0.13
Total: 461
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning Statistics
Elapsed time: 4:40
Number of samples: 38027
Average scanning interval: 1.17 ECC
Glitches removed: 0

SG · 11-04-2008

Right, so they are 'typical' Ritek results then?

I got them over more expensive Verbatim 8cm media because of someone's recommendation. To quote:

Quote:

"I use the traxdata mini's which are g04 and they are fine. I know 2 or so years ago there was issues with the g05 being generally crap and degrading quickly and the later g04's joining them in that regard , but the 8cm discs seemed to of steered clear of that crap or at least the traxdata ones did. Still got my original burns from when the viper first appeared (2 or so years old) and they are fine and as far as know haven't suffered any degrading issues."

Theerfore given how good SVP is with customer exchanges, do you think that I should swap ith the Verbs for safety's sake?

Womi · 11-04-2008

You knew what you were buying.

by the way, these mini Riteks degrade just as the full ones.

My gamecube only likes Verbatim and Optodisc (I use normal 4.7gig discs).

SG · 11-04-2008

Really?

Knackers, I should have just gone for the Verbs to start off with. I'll get on the blower to SVP...

I did look at a GC case that take large discs, but the only decent one is the Viper one, and I've yet to see one at a reasonable price.

SG · 11-04-2008

Of course, now we're back to the original question: should I send back the burned DVDs?

skelton · 11-04-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by groovemeister

Of course, now we're back to the original question: should I send back the burned DVDs?

Scratch them so badly that they can't be read, or better still, break them in two. Then send them back.

SG · 11-04-2008

Um... are you joking?

Surely they wouldn't accept goods that are damaged due to myself?

*cd pirate* · 12-04-2008

I think he is joking... or telling you retarded ideas.

Just return the unburnt/unopened spindles and get Verbatim mini dvds instead. I think they're scratch proof ones too (commonly used in video cameras?). Those should work good when burnt with the pioneer

*getit29* · 12-04-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelton

Scratch them so badly that they can't be read, or better still, break them in two. Then send them back.

Or you could just melt them all and make one big blob and send them back to SVP J/K

Seriously though I wouldn't
send the burned ones back just keep them as a reminder to youself to never buy Ritek G04's mini's again.

10-04-2008	#1 (permalink)
SG CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South West, UK Posts: 724	Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Well, I was disappointed after burning off my Gamecube games today - pretty shoddy quality rates and very few worked. Anyway, I've emailed SVP (in UK) about returning them, will get reply tomorrow. My question is: should I send the burned discs back? I'll stand t lose money if I don't. I mean, they're backups of games that I own but it's still a grey area, legally speaking.

10-04-2008	#2 (permalink)
cd pirate CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,055	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Well, would the discs work if they weren't just being used for the GC? That's my first question. They could be returned I guess, you do own the games so it's not like you're doing anything illegal. It's up to you really but if you can use those discs to play in a dvd player, it may be better just to use them for that purpose only. __________________ Best DVD media: Verbatim MCC002 4x DVD+R Verbatim MCC02RG20 8x DVD-R DATASTREAM BRANDED CMC MAG E01 8x DVD+R Verbatim MCC04 & MCC03RG20 16x DVD +-R Ritek G05 media = My writers: BenQ 1620 (thanks to terminalvelocd!), BenQ DW1800 x 2, LG 4167B, LG H22N, Pioneer 106D, Pioneer 109, Pioneer 111L.

10-04-2008	#3 (permalink)
SG CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South West, UK Posts: 724	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ But I don't need mini DVDs for my DVD player. I mean, DVDs have both data and video usage applications- I bought these 8cm DVDs for GC backups (data). Fact is, the quality scans 75% of the time have a horrific spike in them that makes the discs unusable and a sub-50 mark on Nero CD-DVD Speed. I have 6x 10 disc tubs of them, I've used 11 discs. Should I send the used 11 back?

10-04-2008	#4 (permalink)
cd pirate CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,055	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Hm nah not worth the risk, just send the unopened ones back. Ming posting some scans as well so we know what the results and media look like? __________________ Best DVD media: Verbatim MCC002 4x DVD+R Verbatim MCC02RG20 8x DVD-R DATASTREAM BRANDED CMC MAG E01 8x DVD+R Verbatim MCC04 & MCC03RG20 16x DVD +-R Ritek G05 media = My writers: BenQ 1620 (thanks to terminalvelocd!), BenQ DW1800 x 2, LG 4167B, LG H22N, Pioneer 106D, Pioneer 109, Pioneer 111L.

10-04-2008	#5 (permalink)
SG CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South West, UK Posts: 724	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Sure, I'll get on it (keep checking back). For info on said discs, they're the Traxdata ones mentioned here: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/best-8c...-verbs-242757/ Last edited by SG; 10-04-2008 at 22:43.

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10-04-2008	#8 (permalink)
kg_evilboy CD Freaks Boy Toy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sneaker heaven Posts: 5,321	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Hmm, Pioneers are not too good as scanners. Go to Disc Quality -> Settings -> Advanced, switch from 8ECC to 1ECC, and set the slider from Accuracy to Speed, then try scanning again. __________________ My collection: 2x Plextor PX-716A 1.09, Lite-On SHW-16H5S @ 1635S YS0Z, Samsung TS-L632B TS01, Lite-On LTR-16101B TS0W, LG GCE-8527B 1.01 LG GSA-H10N @ H12N UJ12 (dead), BenQ DW1650 BCIC (sold) Canon Pixma iP4300 For details on my other (sneaker) collection, please PM me! (You must be into sneakers too to get your info ) Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!” Code: T6 C1 L2(s)v h d++ a- w++ c+ y+ f+ t+ k s m1- q-

11-04-2008	#11 (permalink)
kg_evilboy CD Freaks Boy Toy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sneaker heaven Posts: 5,321	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Wow, it completely ignored ECC and speed setting Wonder whether your configuration has problems __________________ My collection: 2x Plextor PX-716A 1.09, Lite-On SHW-16H5S @ 1635S YS0Z, Samsung TS-L632B TS01, Lite-On LTR-16101B TS0W, LG GCE-8527B 1.01 LG GSA-H10N @ H12N UJ12 (dead), BenQ DW1650 BCIC (sold) Canon Pixma iP4300 For details on my other (sneaker) collection, please PM me! (You must be into sneakers too to get your info ) Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!” Code: T6 C1 L2(s)v h d++ a- w++ c+ y+ f+ t+ k s m1- q-

11-04-2008	#12 (permalink)
cd pirate CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,055	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Never use the Pioneer to test PIE/PIF. You should post the liteon scans only. No one here will trust the Pioneer scans or even take the time to analyze them (since they can't really be analyzed due to inaccuracy). If the burns don't even load, I'd say it's not that they're poorly burning discs, just that they are crap in general and won't work no matter how well they're burnt. __________________ Best DVD media: Verbatim MCC002 4x DVD+R Verbatim MCC02RG20 8x DVD-R DATASTREAM BRANDED CMC MAG E01 8x DVD+R Verbatim MCC04 & MCC03RG20 16x DVD +-R Ritek G05 media = My writers: BenQ 1620 (thanks to terminalvelocd!), BenQ DW1800 x 2, LG 4167B, LG H22N, Pioneer 106D, Pioneer 109, Pioneer 111L.

11-04-2008	#15 (permalink)
rakter CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 371	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ That's RitekG04 for sure!!! LOL __________________ My burners: Plextor 760A 1.07 Plextor 750A 1.03 LiteOn 20A1H LL0C LiteOn 20A1S 9L08 Samsung 182M SB05 ( i wish it wasn't riplocked...)

11-04-2008	#16 (permalink)
kg_evilboy CD Freaks Boy Toy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sneaker heaven Posts: 5,321	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Hmm, the Litey scan is 1ECC and nuffin like the Pioneer one. It's not the best but should be ok to read. I still wonder why the Pioneer doesn't scan at 1ECC instead of 8ECC. __________________ My collection: 2x Plextor PX-716A 1.09, Lite-On SHW-16H5S @ 1635S YS0Z, Samsung TS-L632B TS01, Lite-On LTR-16101B TS0W, LG GCE-8527B 1.01 LG GSA-H10N @ H12N UJ12 (dead), BenQ DW1650 BCIC (sold) Canon Pixma iP4300 For details on my other (sneaker) collection, please PM me! (You must be into sneakers too to get your info ) Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!” Code: T6 C1 L2(s)v h d++ a- w++ c+ y+ f+ t+ k s m1- q-

11-04-2008	#19 (permalink)
Womi CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 475	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ You knew what you were buying. by the way, these mini Riteks degrade just as the full ones. My gamecube only likes Verbatim and Optodisc (I use normal 4.7gig discs).

11-04-2008	#20 (permalink)
SG CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South West, UK Posts: 724	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Really? Knackers, I should have just gone for the Verbs to start off with. I'll get on the blower to SVP... I did look at a GC case that take large discs, but the only decent one is the Viper one, and I've yet to see one at a reasonable price.

11-04-2008	#21 (permalink)
SG CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South West, UK Posts: 724	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Of course, now we're back to the original question: should I send back the burned DVDs?

11-04-2008	#23 (permalink)
SG CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South West, UK Posts: 724	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ Um... are you joking? Surely they wouldn't accept goods that are damaged due to myself?

12-04-2008	#24 (permalink)
cd pirate CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,055	Re: Good idea to return bad discs of backed-up games? :/ I think he is joking... or telling you retarded ideas. Just return the unburnt/unopened spindles and get Verbatim mini dvds instead. I think they're scratch proof ones too (commonly used in video cameras?). Those should work good when burnt with the pioneer __________________ Best DVD media: Verbatim MCC002 4x DVD+R Verbatim MCC02RG20 8x DVD-R DATASTREAM BRANDED CMC MAG E01 8x DVD+R Verbatim MCC04 & MCC03RG20 16x DVD +-R Ritek G05 media = My writers: BenQ 1620 (thanks to terminalvelocd!), BenQ DW1800 x 2, LG 4167B, LG H22N, Pioneer 106D, Pioneer 109, Pioneer 111L.

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