DVD formats compatibility survey - Club CDFreaks

**spath** · 23-09-2002

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020919/190215_1.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020920/200073_1.html

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*Upp3rd0G* · 23-09-2002

Lol! One research company, 2 dvd format compatibility researches, 2 different outcomes...

*alexnoe* · 23-09-2002

I couldn't resist but make that sticky! dvdwriters, if you disagree, simply unstick it...

*SirDavidGuy* · 24-09-2002

For those who had trouble putting two and two together:

Quote:

A summary of the Intellikey survey, which was funded by Pioneer

Now, guess which summary ranked the Pioneer supported format higher in relation to the other formats?

(You get three guesses, and the first two don't count

).

Shows how much a companies decisions can sway based on who's supporting them.

**spath** · 24-09-2002

> Now, guess which summary ranked the Pioneer supported format higher
> in relation to the other formats?
>
> (You get three guesses, and the first two don't count).
>

Easy : none of them does, since Pioneer supports DVD-R(W) which loses in
both studies

*SirDavidGuy* · 24-09-2002

Eh?

In the pioneer-funded study, DVD-R tied for first in compatibility (And RW is so uncommonly used, not many people will think it's score matters much.)

dvdwriters · 25-09-2002

Not to mention that they used a video file which is too small IMO.

*alexnoe* · 25-09-2002

Of course. The disc should at least contain 4485 MB. Otherwise you can't see if it's read till its end properly. Especially because crap media often is hardly readable out there.

**spath** · 25-09-2002

> Eh?
>
> In the pioneer-funded study, DVD-R tied for
> first in compatibility (And RW is so uncommonly
> used, not many people will think it's score
> matters much.)

Yes, but all in all according to these studies -
format is at best as compatible as the + one,
and usually less compatible. Hopefully this will
spare us the posts with fanciful compatibility
claims we had in the past (although for some
reason I fear some people will still not be
convinced...).

*alexnoe* · 25-09-2002

I won't be convinced unless we see compatibility numbers *for each media manufacturer separately*.

Look over to doom9, and you'll see that some dvd-r media has at best something like 10%, while Mitsubishi and TDK media seems to work on almost every player (I think they have found one player which requires Mitsubishi dvd-r media to be recorded at 1x speed in order to playback)

How can one give a compatibility number in general for dvd±r(w) if most players only play media from certain manufacturers? How does that make sense?

**spath** · 25-09-2002

Luckily it makes sense to a lot of people who don't care about your opinion.

*alexnoe* · 25-09-2002

OK. You want another of those funny statements?

Here it is:

quote from that link (use babelfish if you want to):

Quote:

Kompatibilitäts-Test in Computer Bild 12/2002:

"Alle DVD-Spieler* spielten die DVD-Rs des DVR-A04-Brenners von Pioneer ab."

*70 Modelle verschiedener Hersteller

*Kenshin* · 03-12-2002

I don't feel there's any more reason to hold this thread sticky.

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Upp3rd0G CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NL Posts: 2,108	Lol! One research company, 2 dvd format compatibility researches, 2 different outcomes... __________________ You can help us to help you even better. You can help fund our research Please read the rules Please detail your problem... What info do U provide? Try our Search... function Please read this for more info on audio copy protections

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dvdwriters CD Freaks Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 104	Not to mention that they used a video file which is too small IMO. __________________ www.dvdwriters.co.uk

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alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,613	Of course. The disc should at least contain 4485 MB. Otherwise you can't see if it's read till its end properly. Especially because crap media often is hardly readable out there. __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)

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24-09-2002	#5 (permalink)
spath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 967	> Now, guess which summary ranked the Pioneer supported format higher > in relation to the other formats? > > (You get three guesses, and the first two don't count). > Easy : none of them does, since Pioneer supports DVD-R(W) which loses in both studies

24-09-2002	#6 (permalink)
SirDavidGuy CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,467	Eh? In the pioneer-funded study, DVD-R tied for first in compatibility (And RW is so uncommonly used, not many people will think it's score matters much.)

25-09-2002	#9 (permalink)
spath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 967	> Eh? > > In the pioneer-funded study, DVD-R tied for > first in compatibility (And RW is so uncommonly > used, not many people will think it's score > matters much.) Yes, but all in all according to these studies - format is at best as compatible as the + one, and usually less compatible. Hopefully this will spare us the posts with fanciful compatibility claims we had in the past (although for some reason I fear some people will still not be convinced...).

25-09-2002	#10 (permalink)
alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,613	I won't be convinced unless we see compatibility numbers for each media manufacturer separately. Look over to doom9, and you'll see that some dvd-r media has at best something like 10%, while Mitsubishi and TDK media seems to work on almost every player (I think they have found one player which requires Mitsubishi dvd-r media to be recorded at 1x speed in order to playback) How can one give a compatibility number in general for dvd±r(w) if most players only play media from certain manufacturers? How does that make sense? __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)

25-09-2002	#11 (permalink)
spath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 967	Luckily it makes sense to a lot of people who don't care about your opinion.

03-12-2002	#13 (permalink)
Kenshin CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Near Seoul, South Korea Posts: 12,379	I don't feel there's any more reason to hold this thread sticky. __________________ Kill Confucius

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