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Video Edit Software Discuss, dv->mpeg2 cce 2.5 dvd2svcd desire interlaced output at International Chat: Software related forum; I have used this tool to convert my DV to mpeg2. When I look at the resultant video I see hardly any combing effect on my computer monitor, unlike the uncompressed dv avi. I've fiddled with all the possible switches "keep interlaced" and "no de-interlacing&


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Old 28-11-2004   #1 (permalink)
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dv->mpeg2 cce 2.5 dvd2svcd desire interlaced output

I have used this tool to convert my DV to mpeg2.

When I look at the resultant video I see hardly any combing effect on my computer monitor, unlike the uncompressed dv avi.

I've fiddled with all the possible switches "keep interlaced" and "no de-interlacing" unchecking progressive frames in advanced.

I tried running is simply through cce 2.5, and that still left me with no combing. I WANT the output to be interlaced. That is why I have come to ask my question.


How would I ensure that the output is as close to the original material as possible, including interlacing?

Is there a better encoder/tool for this desired result?
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Re: dv->mpeg2 cce 2.5 dvd2svcd desire interlaced output

I'm also using dvd2svcd to convert the color to YUY2.

a person really has to look at these things through a DVD player.

The video looks fine in WMP and NERO showtime, then it looks terrible bleached out in WINDVD, any idea why?

I'm (just) starting not to trust anything I see in media players on my computer.

how do professionals test their encodes??

I'm really surprised how little there is for guides and forums dealing with dv manipulation out there.
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Re: dv->mpeg2 cce 2.5 dvd2svcd desire interlaced output

I'm just not getting those sharp scan lines that scream INTERLACED in my mpeg2 output.

I just tried elecard 1 click encoder. same thing.

I know it's possible cause I saw some 'adult material' recently that looked almost like raw DV footage. The size of the afore mentioned 90 min video was about 6G.
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Re: dv->mpeg2 cce 2.5 dvd2svcd desire interlaced output

In DVD2SVCD, leave on the default "No Deinterlacing" and setup CCE Advanced as below, you will then get interlaced output same as interlaced input. I use WinDVD for playback PC testing and if its interlaced you SHOULD NOT see any interlaced combing effect.
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Re: dv->mpeg2 cce 2.5 dvd2svcd desire interlaced output

I still couldn't get it to encode properly.

I found a way to get the desired output using temgenc 2.5/3.0 but the encodes are painfully long compared to cce. Quality looks good in tests though. 4.5 hour encode in progress right now for 62min on p4HT.

I found another person having the same problem here .

It looks like it has something to do with the dv codec rendering process these encoding tools use before encoding to mpeg2.

Does this ring any bells? know a link or a fix to this issue?

I would really like to use cce 2.5 somehow

Thanks in advance.
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Re: dv->mpeg2 cce 2.5 dvd2svcd desire interlaced output

forget tmpgenc. too slow weak results.

I think I found a way using adobe premiere 1.5 and a custom preset using the main concept dv codec to render.

it's screaming through the encode right now on my 3ghz p4HT.

now I just have to find 6 bills after the trial runs out.

in any event, I believe we are correct in assuming the native dv codec being used is deinterlacing the render that is being encoded.

interesting point, my final encode for 60 mins of video will be about 1.9 gigs, the others with the unsharp deinterlace were running around 4 gigs.

again, hope this helps.

I read some great reviews about 1.5

if you have the horses and the pesos, this is definitely the way to go.
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Re: dv->mpeg2 cce 2.5 dvd2svcd desire interlaced output

Have you tried converting the DV to Canopus DV codec ? Thats suggested by DVD2SVCD.

MainConcept is a reasonable encoder but not in the CCE/Canopus Procoder league.
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ahhh man, you won't believe what I was doing.

I edited a little bit of the movie out with vdub mod to use as my test avi and it saved it using the MS dv codec. I bet I spent 5 hours messing with that. Learned a bunch though.

finnally,

I could see no difference between DV rendered by intel, huffy, main concept, panasonic and canopus. There is probably some performance differences but none that I could notice. I was looking at them and exporting frames in Premiere Pro 1.5. It took me forever to figure out to use custom preset in order to select my DV decompression codec.

I have now compared MPEG2 frames from main concept, procoder and cce 2.5.

you are right about procoder and cce being in a different league than MC.

I'm doing a DVD2SVCD encode now with cce 2.5 chugging along at about 1.4 realtime, vbr 2 passes. I ended up liking the color (from the conversion I think) and the speed of cce.

I wonder if I should disable my HT when using cce2.5, my procssor sits at about 61%. maybe it still lets me get some work done with it on.

last night when looking at the mainconcept output on dvd player there was something I was not entirely happy with (although it looked pretty good), there was a slight loss in detail between the camcorder output and the dvd and the color seemed a touch off. This must have something to do with the converttoYUY2 filter I am able to select in dvd2svcd.

I want as close to indistinguishable from the camcorder as possible. I think i'm getting close with this go 'round.

Thanks for your help advice ChickenMan.
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darn it. so close.

for some reason I'm getting jumpy playback in my standalone now.

The picture looks sharp and the color is very good.

I tried it with bottom first field and automatic settings, for field order.

it plays back fine on my computer, no jumping.

I have a panasonic f65.

I think it might be the forcing of the canopus dv codec causing this.

the quality appears to be just as good as procoder mastering, just jumpy but quite a bit faster.

any ideas?
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DVD Player jumpy playback is normally attributed to incompatable/poor media. Suggest you try some Ritek or TY media and dont burn any higher than rated burn speed. Try -R's if you using +R's.
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interesting. That was something I considered, just that I never (seemed) to have any problem before when i burned DVB footage and avi2svcd's(divx) on these dvd-RW disks, I always try to save my Riteks even though they are so cheap now.

FYI - procoder encoded video burned to these DVD-RW's plays fine for the standalone.

I"ll give that a try.
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