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Old 22-07-2003   #1 (permalink)
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DIVX TO DVD Tutorial - porblem

I have used this method from tutorial works great
and very easy to follow

But I am having the problem of creating out of standard dvds
although max bitrate is set to 9000 I am getting biterate of 9800 on all dvds - by the time you add the audio bitrate I get a warning of being out of standard bitrate in TMPGEnc Author
I am using TMPEnc DVD Author 1.5.11.37 (newer than listed in tutorial) so I can write DVDs without having to go to the Nero bit

have tried dropping the max bitrate option down but does not seem to effect the outcome

Using CCE to encode

DVD play ok on my comp and bush dvd player but my older samsung has problems with them - stuttering etc

Switched to TMPGEnc for encoding instead of CCE but dvds were not as good although bitrate was corrected 9000 as stated in tutorial - I found they played on less players

System Pentium 4 - 3.05G - Ram 1024 Mb Win XP


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Old 23-07-2003   #2 (permalink)
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I had that problem...its a bug in Tmpeg DVD author, or so I was told in here.

Use Maestro or SpruceUP instead and you will not get that warning.
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Have found that bitrate used is correct if
I choose not to use the pulldown file as suggested in tutorial
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The bitrate the DVD was made at was 9000 max as you set in DVD2SVCD regardless of whats in the header or what TMPGenc DVD Author said. If you wish to fix that, just use a prog called DVD Patcher, which will patch the header down to alower figure. If you use DVDLab or Maestro to author the same files you do NOT get the error at all.

Just ignor the error and all is fine, lowering the max bitrate in DVD2SVCD does not help as you found. Also, you cannot make a compliant DVD with the non-pulldown file. For NTSC it MUSt be 29.97 frame/sec frame rate or it wont play. Maybe TMPGEnc does a pulldown also, not sure as I mainly do PAL stuff all the time.
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I just tried with bitrate viewer one file i had. the header was the expected 9800, but when checkign the whole file the peak bitrate was 9548! (was the pulldown)

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Thanks for that lanky, I did a bit more checking myself and found it doesnt matter whether its PAL, NTSC or Pulldown NTSC, the *.mpv file as encoded by CCE all report 9800 as the Nominal Bitrate in Bitrate Viewer. Even some VOB files off original DVD's report 9800 while the average bitrate is more like 6000.

All the encoded files I have ever made have authored without error in the 2 leading professional progs DVD Maestro & Scenarist and others such as SpruceUP, DVDLab, Movie Factory2, RealDVD and even IFOEdit and all without error. Its only TMPGEnc DVD Author that bucks. I have seen a very odd eror comming up in Maestro saying the combined bitrate had momenterily exceeded the DVD max std bitrate of 9800 ( I tend to set max to 9300, not 9000 as the odd audio track is at 448 so would not exceed 9800 total) so I know its checking for compliance.

Checking the same files with DVD Patcher also reports a Max Bitrate of 9800, the same as Bitrate Viewer reports.

I have not used TMPGenc DVD Author for a while now (tend to use Maestro) but I just loaded a mpv file into TMPGEnc DVD Author ver 1.5.11.37 and I get no error even though it reports in the files properties that its bitrate is 9800. Loaded AC3 audio in at a bitrate of 224, again no error. Authored it and again, no errors. So all I can conclude is these was a problem with earlier versions of TDA thats not present in the latest. I have never ever seen the error myself.
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Yeh, well im playing at the moment with TMPGenc / GoldWave & the audio extraction from your tutorial for the Audio. Hrmm is there a way to check if a AC3/WAV/MP2 file is is 5.1 or not?
(which is my biggest problem at the moment
As all burns i have done with AC3 have not been playing on my Standalone DVD player at this stage and im trying to locate the problem with the audio (as all Stereo converts from TMPGenc are fine, about 40 or so far).
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The small utility GSPOT will tell you exactly what the audio (and video) codec and type is in the avi. Get it from http://www.headbands.com/gspot/

Also, if you just right click the avi and select Summary (in Win2000 & XP), if the bit rate is 384 or above and no type given, its 5.1 AC3, if 190 or 224 its 2ch AC3. If its MP3 it will say so.

BeSweet is also probably your problem with AC3 audio, a few others have reported the problem also. There is a program called Soft Encode that does AC3 very well but a bit slow. It was made by Ulead I think and is no longer available or updated I understand. There is also an AC3 converter that comes with Scenarist thats reported to be good as well. I have done more than 40 avi's and all as per the Tute and all play on my DVD Player and have tested them on at least a dozens mates DVD Players. They all play fine. Another option is to encode to only 4000 size and put both AC3 and MP2 audio on, then you cant go wrong. If no sound, click to audio track 2.
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Im gonna play with AC3 a bit more as the guide doesnt go into that part much (and only shows 2 channel ac3 pics and explaination wise) . thanks for what you have done. definately made me look at things differently

Also weird in the guide is you say to use beSweet

I might learn to rip AC3 out manually.. i havent seen an xvid with stereo ac3 yet.. only plain mp3 setreo.

whats a quick command to rip AC3 out of a Movie (without using DVD2SVCD?
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ignore about ripping ac3.. Virtdub works (older versions) and then use ac3machine to convert ac3-wav to .ac3
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ignore about ripping ac3.. Virtdub works (older versions) and then use ac3machine to convert ac3-wav to .ac3
Yep thats exacty it. But any version of VD works, just set Audio to Direct Stream Copy and then Save WAV but it will actually be it original for, in your case AC3.

I mention in the Tute the use of BeSwet. AC3 Machine must have BeSweet installed and pointing to it or else it wont work. BeSwet actually does all the work, AC3 is just a fancy menu really. Its just a front end to the commandline BeSweet. Same as BeSweet GUI is a front end to BeSweet.
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yeh just easier to use. .less options that seem arent needed. and seems to have all the stuff in one pack too.


oi ot the idea for ac3machine from ya guide too.. its mentioned somewhere in there.

Also its Sonic Soundfactory SoftEncode
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Also its Sonic Soundfactory SoftEncode
Yes very true, however, Sonic no longer supports, sells or has available SoftEncode. AC3 Machine is free and works.
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