Go Back   Club CDFreaks - Knowledge is Power > International Chat: Software related > Video Edit Software


Commercial message



Video Edit Software Discuss, Is Analyzing really necessary in DVD Shrink? at International Chat: Software related forum; I have used DVD Shrink as my first choice in re-authoring/compressing/encoding. I have always used the Analyzing before the Encoding when compression was needed. Is this really necessary (as it adds twice the time)? Is the analyzing actually used to aid the encoding or is it just


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-12-2006   #1 (permalink)
CD Freaks Senior Member
 
Mike89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 318
Is Analyzing really necessary in DVD Shrink?

I have used DVD Shrink as my first choice in re-authoring/compressing/encoding. I have always used the Analyzing before the Encoding when compression was needed. Is this really necessary (as it adds twice the time)? Is the analyzing actually used to aid the encoding or is it just checking the rip for any potential errors? What I'm asking, is the final result actually any different on the finished .iso from just encoding or using analyzing and encoding?
__________________
Core 2 Duo 6600 @ 3.2 gig (ThermalRight Ultra 120 Heatsink), Asus P5B Deluxe, 2x1024 Corsair PC6400C4, EVGA GTX 280, NEC 90GX2, X-Fi Extreme Gamer Pro, Lite-on LH-20A1L SATA DVD Burner, Pioneer DVR-216D SATA DVD Burner, Lite-on SHM-165H6S IDE DVD Burner, 2 WD 250 gig (16 meg cache) SATA HDDs, WD 750 gig (external e-sata) HDD, Winfast USB2 TV Tuner, Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Speaker System, Corsair TX750w PSU, Windows XP Pro
Mike89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2006   #2 (permalink)
CD Freak
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: United States
Posts: 2,949
Re: Is Analyzing really necessary in DVD Shrink?

To get the most quality out of a compression job, I would continue to use it. It's that extra time that helps provide the high quality output that DVD Shrink is known for.

Here's a link that sorta explains it

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/dvdshrink31-finalsteps.htm

Quote:
You can check Perform Deep Analysis before backup to improve quality, which doubles the encoding time, but ensures that the output size is accurate and helps to increase quality. If you have performed the deep analysis before (by pressing the Analysis button), this option will not be selectable.

Compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation can be activated to increase the quality of the output significantly. When activated, DVD Shrink will compare original and compressed frames, detect compression artifacts and take measures to compensate. You have several options how the error correction can work:
BeardedKirklander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2006   #3 (permalink)
Moderator
 
DrageMester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Denmark
Posts: 14,308
Re: Is Analyzing really necessary in DVD Shrink?

The initial analysis is necessary or DVD Shrink won't let you shrink the DVD at all.

The deep analysis isn't necessary, but it will help DVD Shrink to better allocate space to the parts of the video that are more complex, and the final result will be better.

I suggest you let DVD Shrink perform the deep analysis whenever it wants to, which is always except when the selected content will fit on a 4.7GB DVD without compression.
DrageMester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2006   #4 (permalink)
CD Freaks Senior Member
 
Mike89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 318
Re: Is Analyzing really necessary in DVD Shrink?

I've always wondered about just what the analyzing what actually doing. One thought was that is was doing something to aid the encoding and another thought was that is was just checking the disk for potential errors.

I have a friend who never uses it and me that always has used it. He disputes that his copies are any different than mine. It got me wondering if the result was really the same.
__________________
Core 2 Duo 6600 @ 3.2 gig (ThermalRight Ultra 120 Heatsink), Asus P5B Deluxe, 2x1024 Corsair PC6400C4, EVGA GTX 280, NEC 90GX2, X-Fi Extreme Gamer Pro, Lite-on LH-20A1L SATA DVD Burner, Pioneer DVR-216D SATA DVD Burner, Lite-on SHM-165H6S IDE DVD Burner, 2 WD 250 gig (16 meg cache) SATA HDDs, WD 750 gig (external e-sata) HDD, Winfast USB2 TV Tuner, Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Speaker System, Corsair TX750w PSU, Windows XP Pro
Mike89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2006   #5 (permalink)
CD Freak
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: United States
Posts: 2,949
Re: Is Analyzing really necessary in DVD Shrink?

I've done side by side comparisons, and when I hit the 50-60% compression quality area, I can see the diff visually on my TV when I use Deep Analysis and Quality Enhancement and when I don't.

But everybodies eyes are different. Some may notice, others may not. I certainly do.
BeardedKirklander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2006   #6 (permalink)
CD Freak
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,159
Re: Is Analyzing really necessary in DVD Shrink?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike89
I've always wondered about just what the analyzing what actually doing. One thought was that is was doing something to aid the encoding and another thought was that is was just checking the disk for potential errors.

I have a friend who never uses it and me that always has used it. He disputes that his copies are any different than mine. It got me wondering if the result was really the same.
Deep Analysis definitely does improve the results. I think one of the functions of it is scene detection, which allows fine tuning of compression levels on a scene-by-scene basis. Every time a camera shot changes or lighting changes it's noticed, as well as a shift from a relatively still shot to a lot of movement.
scoobiedoobie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2006   #7 (permalink)
CDFreaks Resident
 
CDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 2,690
Re: Is Analyzing really necessary in DVD Shrink?

You'll really notice the difference on a big screen, and usually with a movie that is compressed past 80-85%. It really depends on the movie. I would always use it for compression past 90%.

The good news is that Deep Analysis really benefits from CPU's with larger cache, and dual-core CPUs. My AMD X2 with 1MB x2 at 2.4mHz will run deep analysis at 600-800 FPS on most movies, and I've seen it run as high as 1000 FPS. So it's never more than a few minutes to complete the deep analysis. This assumes the files are on the HD, not on DVD.
CDan is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


If you can't find where you are looking for, then become a member and get an answer fast! We have thousands of people online every moment of the day to help you! Click here



Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
analyzing scans properly torstn Blank Media 15 31-10-2007 21:26
clonedvd vs. dvd shrink (analyzing stuff) oopnoyoo CloneDVD 19 10-06-2007 21:40
Unable to write after Analyzing with Dvd Shrink Kman21 Newbie Forum 7 14-03-2006 12:35
Analyzing programs? test123 BenQ / Philips Burner 1 30-12-2004 22:39
Nero Analyzing CD Audio000 Burning Software 7 18-02-2003 18:41


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:21.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0