Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer - Page 6 - Club CD Freaks

Nemesys · 29-08-2005

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Originally Posted by EyeForOne

The International Character exploits have long been fixed in Moz/FF , since it was first learned of - it was a swift, fast, small, and easy fix - unlike most ms fixes, that linger for years before they're attended to....but that doesn't mean those who are savvy, can't use IE reliably, nor should they change if they are happy with it. It's the NEW users that have no clue, that continue to allow the proliferation of nasties ...and NEW systems that should have alternative browser/s as a choice IMO, such as when Netscape 4.06 and IE4 were bundled together (but that's when the Java VM peaked as a real proprietary mess)

I wasn't going to post at all - but that Chinese "BIG5" Character Encoding was glaringly obvious, I thought I'd mention it.

If the exploit was fixed then the page would not display the Secunia site. All firefox has done is change the way the address bar displays the address. It displays it in Punycode which identifies the exploit, but the average user does not know this and would still respond to the displayed page.

Having the address bar display http://www.xn--paypl-7ve.com/ instead of http://www.paypal.com is not a fix as long as you are still taken to the same location. As long as the Secunia site is displayed the browser has been spoofed, regardless of what the address bar displays.

Punycode

drpino · 29-08-2005

hmm

Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x
Vendor:
MicrosoftProduct Link:
View hereProduct Affected By:
85 Secunia Advisories

Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Highly critical

This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details.

Currently, 20 out of 85 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.

Mozilla Firefox 1.x
Vendor:
Mozilla OrganizationProduct Link:
View hereProduct Affected By:
21 Secunia Advisories

Mozilla Firefox 1.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Less critical

This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details.

Currently, 3 out of 21 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.

Opera 8.x
Vendor:
Opera SoftwareProduct Link:
View hereProduct Affected By:
7 Secunia Advisories

The Secunia database currently contains 0 Secunia advisories marked as "Unpatched", which affects Opera 8.x.

This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details.

Currently, 0 out of 7 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.

Nemesys · 29-08-2005

hmmmmm
Opera 8.02 still spoofed????
Also displaying Punycode?

EyeForOne · 29-08-2005

bah ....stupid Mozilla Firefox boneheads

I heard about this awhile ago, before Moz 1.7 was even released, and I recall a workaround that was very effective - but All I can recall is that it had to do with editing one of the JAR files in the %ProgramFiles%\mozilla.org\Mozilla\Chrome DIR (which in 2K\XP and Firefox will or may be an different location) -- some little tweak within, which I had incorporated at the time.

Now - I see that the developers want you to use about:config (as I have just tried, with the results shown above/below

) and set network.enableIDN boolean value to false

oh well - guess I ain't up on the unfixed exploits as much as I once was - figuring it was fixed already -- guess I was wrong...thanks for pointing that out Nem.

...so the Temporary workaround is what I've done above using about:config

Nemesys · 29-08-2005

That was pretty slick, EyeForOne. That's more like it.
Firefox has a lot of config options but those are mostly for the advanced users.

Yeah, both Firefox and Opera has patched their browsers so it identifies the spoof and display it as Punycode in the address bar. But they still access the spoofed web site which is of no comfort to the unsuspecting surfer about to enter information into a bogus site. Not many would notice the Punycode in the address bar and if they did, they would not know what it means.

EyeForOne · 29-08-2005

nah....I just keep tabs around on certain things that others like yourself bring up from time to time

gonna try editing my image in last post for a little more clarity...

wha ?

there's an expiration time on editing ??

btw - is there a list of the emoticons/smilies with their respective/corresponding Key stroke inputs ...like a [colon + eek + colon =

] ?

Nemesys · 29-08-2005

Yeah, there used to be unlimited editing at first, but that has been changed. If you can, whenever you can, use the .PNG image format instead of .jpg. It has much better clarity and is usually smaller in file size.

Unfortunately, there is no emoticon list. I have to enable Active Scripting in IE in order to use them, so I don't bother, and I'm not going to ad this site to my Trusted Site list because then I cannot avoid text ads. At least not without modifying my host file.
What you could do is enter the post mode and test them all, then create a list of key stroke input for future use.

Raziel_BG · 30-08-2005

EyeForOne, Nemesys, you just keep chewing the same issue over and over again.
drpino listed problems. It seems you ignore them and go on with what you know. Like a broken record or something. It just seems to me that most FF or Opera users tend to admit the imperfection of their browers and agree that there are some things at which IE is still a liiiittle bit better but they find more (may be a lot more) disadvantages than advantages in IE so they don't use it. The majority of IE camp, however, always beat their chest saying their IE is better, noone will ever be as good as he is and IE is superior in just about EVERYTHING! I guess it would be nice to record yourselves with a microphone and listen to this recording once in a while (for spirit lifting) or one supreme narrator should be chosen to record a speech proclaiming IE's glory. You would like it, wouldn't you? An IE anthem?

Nemesys · 30-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raziel_BG

EyeForOne, Nemesys, you just keep chewing the same issue over and over again.
drpino listed problems. It seems you ignore them and go on with what you know. Like a broken record or something. It just seems to me that most FF or Opera users tend to admit the imperfection of their browers and agree that there are some things at which IE is still a liiiittle bit better but they find more (may be a lot more) disadvantages than advantages in IE so they don't use it. The majority of IE camp, however, always beat their chest saying their IE is better, noone will ever be as good as he is and IE is superior in just about EVERYTHING! I guess it would be nice to record yourselves with a microphone and listen to this recording once in a while (for spirit lifting) or one supreme narrator should be chosen to record a speech proclaiming IE's glory. You would like it, wouldn't you? An IE anthem?

That's funny, you never felt this way about the thread when you were a part of the discussion.

EyeForOne and I are old friends who have had this discussion before both in public as well as in private. At no point in this thread did he and I engage in this discussion.

It has already been discussed that all browsers have security flaws and he has simply made me/us aware of a workaround for one which was supposedely have been corrected.

Forums are for discussion and there will always be differences of opinions. Everyone is allowed to participate and contribute.

The great thing about forums is that there are many threads and if you tire of one you can simply move on to another.

Raziel_BG · 30-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Nemesys

That's funny, you never felt this way about the thread when you were a part of the discussion.

EyeForOne and I are old friends who have had this discussion before both in public as well as in private. At no point in this thread did he and I engage in this discussion.

It has already been discussed that all browsers have security flaws and he has simply made me/us aware of a workaround for one which was supposedely have been corrected.

Forums are for discussion and there will always be differences of opinions. Everyone is allowed to participate and contribute.

The great thing about forums is that there are many threads and if you tire of one you can simply move on to another.

I never felt that way about the thread in general, I just felt this way about you both. It really did seem to me that you state one problem and continue using it as evidence over and over. Probably after a few weeks you would mention it again. I (We) get it already. Opera has this problem. Can we move on to something else? I don't list IE's flaws, because I don't know them, because there is no time and it would take a lot of space to list them every time.
I know there are differences of opinions, it's a forum after all. It's normal. My point was different. I tried to explain it again, I don't know if you'll understand it.
Yes, there are many threads. Although this last line sounds like: "Beat it, get out of here, go post in andother thread", I'll assume it just sounds like that and is meant in a good way. But still, I think I'll stick around here as well.
Even if you mind or not.

Vegeta-inc · 30-08-2005

well just use your head and look at this http://www.hackwire.com/index.php?action=news&catid=9

Nemesys · 30-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegeta-inc

well just use your head and look at this http://www.hackwire.com/index.php?action=news&catid=9

Thanks for the post and the link.
A properly configured locked down Internet Explorer would not allow Java Script so it would not be vulnerable from that stand point.

However, the default configuration would have those vulnerabilities.

Mr. Horse · 30-08-2005

It seems ridiculous that you should have to disable JavaScript which is still used heavily in a large number of websites and is often essential to viewing the page correctly to compensate for bugs in IE. I don't think that's a very good defense of IE to be honest.

EyeForOne · 30-08-2005

JavaScript is so offensive, obscene and exploitable, I have to turn it off in ALL the browsers.

Nemesys · 30-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by EyeForOne

JavaScript is so offensive, obscene and exploitable, I have to turn it off in ALL the browsers.

Well said!!!
It doesn't matter what the web site uses, I allow no scripts to run on my machines. Period. Too dangerous.
I don't even allow swf to run on my systems.

Vegeta-inc · 31-08-2005

Dont be afraid of java I LOVE IT it is the most used tool in the world.
yes java is one way are hacker might get in to your computer but with good firewalls you wont have to worry about it to much.
I used firefox i love it i came form maxthon to firefox cus of the builded in java.
tusth me when i say this JAVA is the way of the world.
If you remember hot mail when it came out everyone under the sun used it cus of the power you had to make new web site's then someone found out if i just type /hotmail.bo.au.net wow i got in to the web site and the preson's computer as well but even thou someone found out there was are hole people for years used it to make web site's.It is the same with JAVA the power you have with it is so great that you should not just dismiss it cus of someone finding are hole.

drpino · 31-08-2005

Java and javascript are two completely different things...you mean javascript

Vegeta-inc · 31-08-2005

Yea..............

for got to add that

Mr. Horse · 04-09-2005

Personally I try to use PHP and CSS instead of JavaScript where possible. There are still some applications that require it though.

Vegeta-inc · 04-09-2005

yea alotof poeple used dif tools cus of the easy to use interface it is IE is to to TO beta even if microsoft say's that it isn't. it has way to many holes,bug's you name it it has it if i had my way i would tell everyone under the sun to DUMP IT UNINSTALL IT GET RID OF IT NOW but everyone is dif.
like my mate he didnt want to get rid of it cus of the easy to use interface.
FireFox has more to do with it like the tab interface and the popup blocker and stuff my mate was like to much for me till i went over and set him all up now he wont use IE.

drpino · 13-09-2005

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What Firefox and Mozilla users should know about the IDN buffer overflow security issue

On September 6 a security vulnerability affecting all versions of Mozilla Firefox and the Mozilla Suite was reported to Mozilla by Tom Ferris and on September 8th was publicly disclosed.

On September 9, the Mozilla team released a configuration change which, as a temporary measure to work around this problem, disables IDN in the browser. IDN functionality will be restored in a future product update. The fix is either a manual configuration change or a small download which will make this configuration change for the user. Instructions on administering these changes can be found below.

https://addons.mozilla.org/messages/307259.html

this is the kind of quick action that makes FF a better browser choice than IE....

WRT users not realizing that he/she is entering information into a spoofed site because they don't notice the URL in the address bar isn't correct, all i say is his/her fault for being negligent...don't blame a browser for the user's ineptitude...

Nemesys · 13-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by drpino

all i say is his/her fault for being negligent...don't blame a browser for the user's ineptitude...

The same argument hold true for failing to properly configure IE for better security. It is software, and software configuration is the individual user's responsibility.

I have absolutely no security issues with IE, properly configured, and I'm no different than anyone else.

drpino · 13-09-2005

failing to properly configure a browser and not noticing an incorrect URL are slightly different things...but i agree that ultimately it's the user's responsibility...

still, mozilla's relatively quick response to the IDN spoofing situation (and other security issues) is far better than MS' response to "critical" IE security flaws..

**xtacydima** · 13-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesys

The same argument hold true for failing to properly configure IE for better security. It is software, and software configuration is the individual user's responsibility.

I have absolutely no security issues with IE, properly configured, and I'm no different than anyone else.

lol, I got tired of saying it myself, the fans of targeted new browsers just won't listen, I too have been using IE flawlessly now, and I have only but a single program I installed, that does the job right, the others are just there for fun.

drpino · 13-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtacydima

lol, I got tired of saying it myself, the fans of targeted new browsers just won't listen

i don't think that's a fair assessment of "fans of targeted browsers" at all...i used IE for years without a single security issue before switching to Firefox (with a MyIE2/Maxthon interim) ...and i still think FF is a better overall browsing experience (security et al.) than IE ever was...

i think it's IE stalwarts who cast aside any alternative to IE as beta/junk/etc who are the ones who "just won't listen" ... (see my cut-and-paste security issues from secunia above)...

29-08-2005	#127 (permalink)
drpino CD Freaks Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: nYc Posts: 4,891	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer hmm Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x Vendor: MicrosoftProduct Link: View hereProduct Affected By: 85 Secunia Advisories Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Highly critical This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details. Currently, 20 out of 85 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Mozilla Firefox 1.x Vendor: Mozilla OrganizationProduct Link: View hereProduct Affected By: 21 Secunia Advisories Mozilla Firefox 1.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Less critical This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details. Currently, 3 out of 21 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Opera 8.x Vendor: Opera SoftwareProduct Link: View hereProduct Affected By: 7 Secunia Advisories The Secunia database currently contains 0 Secunia advisories marked as "Unpatched", which affects Opera 8.x. This is based on the most severe Secunia advisory, which is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. Go to Unpatched/Patched list below for details. Currently, 0 out of 7 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database. __________________ AMD A64 Clawhammer 3200+ / TT Venus 7+ / ASUS K8V Dlx / Corsair TwinX 4000PRO (2x512) WD360GD 236GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD800JB 80GB PATA / IBM Deskstar 25.4GB PATA ASUS R9800XT / VX900 19"CRT / Boston Acoustics BA7500 4.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512) WD740GD 274GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD2500SD/JD 2250GB SATA / Seagate 2160GB PATA / Maxtor OneTouchII 300GB Ext (Firewire) ATI X800XL / Viewsonic VP201s 20.1"LCD / Creative SBAudigy2ZS Plat / Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B

29-08-2005	#130 (permalink)
Nemesys CD Freaks Die Hard Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 1,023	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer That was pretty slick, EyeForOne. That's more like it. Firefox has a lot of config options but those are mostly for the advanced users. Yeah, both Firefox and Opera has patched their browsers so it identifies the spoof and display it as Punycode in the address bar. But they still access the spoofed web site which is of no comfort to the unsuspecting surfer about to enter information into a bogus site. Not many would notice the Punycode in the address bar and if they did, they would not know what it means. __________________ Case: Chieftec Dragon Golden Blue DX-01BLD-U Server Chassis Motherboard: ABIT IP35 Pro CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz @ 4.0GHz (Tuniq Tower 120 CPU Cooling) RAM: 2GB Crucial Ballistix PC-8500 DDR2 1066 Video Card: GeForce 7900GT 256MB PCI Express x16 Sound Card: SoundBlaster Audigy ES Monitor: Hanns-G HW-223DPB (22” LCD) Audio System: MASSIVE NIC: Dual Realtek Gigabit Ethernet Controller CD-RW: TDK AI-481648B converted to Lite-On LTR-52246S 6S0F DVD-RAM: Samsung SH-S203B SB03 DVD-RW: BenQ DW1655 BCIB Hard Drive (Internal Storage): Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA II File Storage Hard Drive (Removables): (3) LIAN-LI SATA Mobile Racks Drive #1. Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA II WIN XP Professional Drive #2. Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA II WIN Vista Ultimate Drive #3. Seagate Barracuda 80G SATA II Testing

29-08-2005	#131 (permalink)
EyeForOne CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: 3rd Stone Posts: 336	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer nah....I just keep tabs around on certain things that others like yourself bring up from time to time gonna try editing my image in last post for a little more clarity... wha ? there's an expiration time on editing ?? btw - is there a list of the emoticons/smilies with their respective/corresponding Key stroke inputs ...like a [colon + eek + colon = ] ?

29-08-2005	#132 (permalink)
Nemesys CD Freaks Die Hard Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 1,023	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Yeah, there used to be unlimited editing at first, but that has been changed. If you can, whenever you can, use the .PNG image format instead of .jpg. It has much better clarity and is usually smaller in file size. Unfortunately, there is no emoticon list. I have to enable Active Scripting in IE in order to use them, so I don't bother, and I'm not going to ad this site to my Trusted Site list because then I cannot avoid text ads. At least not without modifying my host file. What you could do is enter the post mode and test them all, then create a list of key stroke input for future use. __________________ Case: Chieftec Dragon Golden Blue DX-01BLD-U Server Chassis Motherboard: ABIT IP35 Pro CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz @ 4.0GHz (Tuniq Tower 120 CPU Cooling) RAM: 2GB Crucial Ballistix PC-8500 DDR2 1066 Video Card: GeForce 7900GT 256MB PCI Express x16 Sound Card: SoundBlaster Audigy ES Monitor: Hanns-G HW-223DPB (22” LCD) Audio System: MASSIVE NIC: Dual Realtek Gigabit Ethernet Controller CD-RW: TDK AI-481648B converted to Lite-On LTR-52246S 6S0F DVD-RAM: Samsung SH-S203B SB03 DVD-RW: BenQ DW1655 BCIB Hard Drive (Internal Storage): Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA II File Storage Hard Drive (Removables): (3) LIAN-LI SATA Mobile Racks Drive #1. Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA II WIN XP Professional Drive #2. Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA II WIN Vista Ultimate Drive #3. Seagate Barracuda 80G SATA II Testing

30-08-2005	#133 (permalink)
Raziel_BG CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 49	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer EyeForOne, Nemesys, you just keep chewing the same issue over and over again. drpino listed problems. It seems you ignore them and go on with what you know. Like a broken record or something. It just seems to me that most FF or Opera users tend to admit the imperfection of their browers and agree that there are some things at which IE is still a liiiittle bit better but they find more (may be a lot more) disadvantages than advantages in IE so they don't use it. The majority of IE camp, however, always beat their chest saying their IE is better, noone will ever be as good as he is and IE is superior in just about EVERYTHING! I guess it would be nice to record yourselves with a microphone and listen to this recording once in a while (for spirit lifting) or one supreme narrator should be chosen to record a speech proclaiming IE's glory. You would like it, wouldn't you? An IE anthem?

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30-08-2005	#136 (permalink)
Vegeta-inc CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer well just use your head and look at this http://www.hackwire.com/index.php?action=news&catid=9 __________________ to know you are good you must be evil so there for god is the devil as he is god

30-08-2005	#138 (permalink)
Mr. Horse CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 531	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer It seems ridiculous that you should have to disable JavaScript which is still used heavily in a large number of websites and is often essential to viewing the page correctly to compensate for bugs in IE. I don't think that's a very good defense of IE to be honest.

30-08-2005	#139 (permalink)
EyeForOne CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: 3rd Stone Posts: 336	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer JavaScript is so offensive, obscene and exploitable, I have to turn it off in ALL the browsers.

31-08-2005	#141 (permalink)
Vegeta-inc CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Dont be afraid of java I LOVE IT it is the most used tool in the world. yes java is one way are hacker might get in to your computer but with good firewalls you wont have to worry about it to much. I used firefox i love it i came form maxthon to firefox cus of the builded in java. tusth me when i say this JAVA is the way of the world. If you remember hot mail when it came out everyone under the sun used it cus of the power you had to make new web site's then someone found out if i just type /hotmail.bo.au.net wow i got in to the web site and the preson's computer as well but even thou someone found out there was are hole people for years used it to make web site's.It is the same with JAVA the power you have with it is so great that you should not just dismiss it cus of someone finding are hole. __________________ to know you are good you must be evil so there for god is the devil as he is god

31-08-2005	#142 (permalink)
drpino CD Freaks Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: nYc Posts: 4,891	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Java and javascript are two completely different things...you mean javascript __________________ AMD A64 Clawhammer 3200+ / TT Venus 7+ / ASUS K8V Dlx / Corsair TwinX 4000PRO (2x512) WD360GD 236GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD800JB 80GB PATA / IBM Deskstar 25.4GB PATA ASUS R9800XT / VX900 19"CRT / Boston Acoustics BA7500 4.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512) WD740GD 274GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD2500SD/JD 2250GB SATA / Seagate 2160GB PATA / Maxtor OneTouchII 300GB Ext (Firewire) ATI X800XL / Viewsonic VP201s 20.1"LCD / Creative SBAudigy2ZS Plat / Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B

31-08-2005	#143 (permalink)
Vegeta-inc CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Yea.............. for got to add that __________________ to know you are good you must be evil so there for god is the devil as he is god

04-09-2005	#144 (permalink)
Mr. Horse CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 531	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Personally I try to use PHP and CSS instead of JavaScript where possible. There are still some applications that require it though.

04-09-2005	#145 (permalink)
Vegeta-inc CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer yea alotof poeple used dif tools cus of the easy to use interface it is IE is to to TO beta even if microsoft say's that it isn't. it has way to many holes,bug's you name it it has it if i had my way i would tell everyone under the sun to DUMP IT UNINSTALL IT GET RID OF IT NOW but everyone is dif. like my mate he didnt want to get rid of it cus of the easy to use interface. FireFox has more to do with it like the tab interface and the popup blocker and stuff my mate was like to much for me till i went over and set him all up now he wont use IE. __________________ to know you are good you must be evil so there for god is the devil as he is god

13-09-2005	#148 (permalink)
drpino CD Freaks Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: nYc Posts: 4,891	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer failing to properly configure a browser and not noticing an incorrect URL are slightly different things...but i agree that ultimately it's the user's responsibility... still, mozilla's relatively quick response to the IDN spoofing situation (and other security issues) is far better than MS' response to "critical" IE security flaws.. __________________ AMD A64 Clawhammer 3200+ / TT Venus 7+ / ASUS K8V Dlx / Corsair TwinX 4000PRO (2x512) WD360GD 236GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD800JB 80GB PATA / IBM Deskstar 25.4GB PATA ASUS R9800XT / VX900 19"CRT / Boston Acoustics BA7500 4.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512) WD740GD 274GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD2500SD/JD 2250GB SATA / Seagate 2160GB PATA / Maxtor OneTouchII 300GB Ext (Firewire) ATI X800XL / Viewsonic VP201s 20.1"LCD / Creative SBAudigy2ZS Plat / Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B