Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer - Page 5 - Club CD Freaks

drpino · 19-04-2005

it's true that some sites don't serve properly to FF because they're coded out of spec and geared towards IE. best thing to do is drop an email to the webmaster and request WWWC compliance (citing the ever increasing popularity of FF is a good thing as well). IEView is also a handy extension that I use.

i also use Tweak Network settings extension which handles many of the tweaks available in about:config (typed in address bar) that would otherwise have to be done manually (Sexy_Southerner has a post detailing these tweaks).

paddygman · 30-04-2005

right i've jsut gotten off the fone with the browser gods and they aint very happy...

supposedly that IE should have died a death a long time agao and been replaced by a newer much more advanced version completely different and far superior called MOZILLA FIREFOX. As for the IE explorer they blame modern medicine and virus technology for its continued resusitation. They also predict a new age of FIREFOX to overcome this inferior race or IE and claim its rightful place.

Well thats what the browser gods said....

paddygman · 30-04-2005

On another note i also agree with the other posts about makin webpages more accessable to other browsers and not just to firefox i believe it to be descrimination just to devote pages to IE if a browser reaches enough usage to create this much discussion it should be recognised and therfore coded for!

Just my 2 cents take it as you will

VinylPusher · 01-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by drpino

it's true that some sites don't serve properly to FF because they're coded out of spec and geared towards IE. best thing to do is drop an email to the webmaster and request WWWC compliance (citing the ever increasing popularity of FF is a good thing as well). IEView is also a handy extension that I use.

i also use Tweak Network settings extension which handles many of the tweaks available in about:config (typed in address bar) that would otherwise have to be done manually (Sexy_Southerner has a post detailing these tweaks).

Complying to standards still leaves webmasters far short of multi-browser compatability.

As a new webmaster myself, I've been pretty shocked and appalled at the problems I'm faced with.

1) IE only extensions to HTML.
2) Lack of CSS/CSS2 compliance in IE (better in FF and Opera).
3) Certain valid W3 tags not impletemented in ANY major browser.
4) Different behaviours between browsers when fed perfectly valid (X)HTML.
5) Well known browser bugs which are still not fixed ( "<area> tag in IE for example).

I could add more items to the list.

Even the first website I created whilst learning XHTML1.1 and CSS2 displays differently between IE and FF despite w3.org telling me it's perfectly valid XHTML and CSS. No fancy formatting is used and it even uses tables rather than <div> sections.

I have the reference cards from VisiBone and even then, it's a royal PITA trying to design a site which works and displays correctly on all the top browsers (IE, Netscape, FF and Opera).

drpino · 01-05-2005

no doubt that coding sites/pages for full multi-browser compatibility is a PITA...but with 50MM+ downloads of Firefox, us "surfers" have now got some leverage to go to webmasters who aren't as conscious as you are of the w3.org standards.

paddygman · 18-05-2005

i agree have recently converted all my colleagues at work to firefox and all of us agree it to be the superior browser.

Clany · 18-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddygman

i agree have recently converted all my colleagues at work to firefox and all of us agree it to be the superior browser.

I use ff now for a while and must say it solid and i can use plugins without a great search.
Even the skins i can get in some secs.(ok thats not really that great XD)
OH and if forgot to mention that i have probs to get the IE adblocker working like it should.
The IE has one point that is maybe good (or bad? ) it can show even the crappiest sites, but i doubt that this is helpful to webmasters.

leebo · 15-06-2005

Been using FF for three weeks now. I like it better than IE, but two things are driving me crazy:

Say I'm reading a web page and I've scrolled halfway down.
I then click a link to read another article.

When I click the return button, it returns me to the original page, but to the top, not to the same spot I was looking at before I clicked the link. IE returns me to the same spot.

I cant figure out how to change the default download location from the desktop.
IE let me download into whichever folder I chose.

besmirch · 15-06-2005

... i hate .. when after fresh reinstal .. using IE .. 7s i have msblast ... i hate ... when using IE .. i get spyware in 1 min of using .. hate this ...

Opera/FF ... the only alternatives

ILikePie · 18-07-2005

open source = PWNAGE!!!

thats why you should switch to ff, its so awesome, and all those plugins like adblock.. I havent seen an ad in ages! just download the right filter, search their website forum for a guy named "teh pro" I had to leave a link

Nemesys · 18-07-2005

I'm a proud IE user and will never switch to any of these beta browsers.

I have had both Firefox and Opera installed for years and neither holds a candle to IE.

These beta browsers are simple fixes for those who cannot properly configure IE.

Software configuration has always been the user's responsibility.
That's why all software comes with "Help" files so it can be configured to individual needs instead of depending on the software manufacturer to create easy "one size fits all" settings everytime a new exploit is discovered.

ILikePie · 24-07-2005

I have no problems configuring IE, but its actually alot slower than most other browsers.. not to mention the security is probably as tight as ehh, maybe I should just leave that piece out to your mind, dont wanna get banned here :P

I've been dealing with common home user and network security for 6+ years now, and I can say as a fact that it is probably one of and maybe even the most unsafe browser ever made...
especially when it comes to updating of new security risks. I still use it, but only when I need to use windows update - proof of microsoft allways taking advantage over their marketing position.

anyone with experience in security of todays computersystems can tell you that,- when have you ever ever ever in your life have you heard a computer wiz mention Internet Explorer and security in the same sentence?! - ( of course not when it comes to the LACK of security

)

webdevelopers can also tell you about IE's "super duper

" CSS support... Its not even following the CSS rules!?

I could go on and on about this, and also try out opera everyone, its the shiznit...

Nemesys · 24-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILikePie

I could go on and on about this, and also try out opera everyone, its the shiznit...

I have tried Opera and Firefox and they are nothing more than beta browsers with learned configurations from IE exploits. Too many incompatibilities and many sites don't load properly, if at all. Just like those who code exploits, web designers are designing sites for maximum yield.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILikePie

I've been dealing with common home user and network security for 6+ years now, and I can say as a fact that it is probably one of and maybe even the most unsafe browser ever made...

How could you possible even say that when the browser is fully configurable.

I could understand if you would have said that the default settings were unsafe. This is true as Microsoft opted for maximum compatibility well before all these exploits were even crafted.

It's funny that you did not mention that SP2 had elimininated most of these "holes", simply by disabling ActiveX. This is something that was learned from IE exploits and implemented in these other browsers.

The bottom line is that just like any other software on your system, IE comes with help files. It is the user's responsibility to configure software to suit individual needs.

Over the years I have been hit by IE exploits. I simply reconfigure IE to harden it against those exploits in the future. It's that simple.
Don't expect these beta browser manufacturer's to configure your software for you with some silly "one size fits all" solution that reeks of incompatibilities.

Learn how to configure your software!!! It is software, isn't it?
It's easy.

BeardedKirklander · 09-08-2005

I use IE 6 with Maxthon and have the default internet zone of IE locked down, and only those I move to the Trusted Zone have scripting enabled. The combination of IE 6 configured that way and Maxthon make for a very nice, usable, productive setup.

I like Mozilla and Firefox ok, just prefer the IE 6 / Maxthon combo.

Good stuff.

Raziel_BG · 23-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesys

I have tried Opera and Firefox and they are nothing more than beta browsers with learned configurations from IE exploits. Too many incompatibilities and many sites don't load properly, if at all. Just like those who code exploits, web designers are designing sites for maximum yield.

How could you possible even say that when the browser is fully configurable.

I could understand if you would have said that the default settings were unsafe. This is true as Microsoft opted for maximum compatibility well before all these exploits were even crafted.

It's funny that you did not mention that SP2 had elimininated most of these "holes", simply by disabling ActiveX. This is something that was learned from IE exploits and implemented in these other browsers.

The bottom line is that just like any other software on your system, IE comes with help files. It is the user's responsibility to configure software to suit individual needs.

Over the years I have been hit by IE exploits. I simply reconfigure IE to harden it against those exploits in the future. It's that simple.
Don't expect these beta browser manufacturer's to configure your software for you with some silly "one size fits all" solution that reeks of incompatibilities.

Learn how to configure your software!!! It is software, isn't it?
It's easy.

Before i continue: this is a comparison between Opera and IE. FF is left out due to lack of experience with it.
FF and Opera beta browers? That's a good one. It doesn't matter what the damn reason is, IE is most exploited. With so many security issues discovered does it still count as 'final'? IE is closer to being beta than FF or Opera, whether you like it or not. I DO think that if FF or Opera switch places with IE, they will be the most exploited. Until then FF and Opera will remain safer. It doesn't matter if you win a race by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning.
I'm using Opera and i don't think i'll switch to another browes anytime soon.
Why not IE?
- I want configurability - IE can't be configured the way Opera (or FF) can. I'm not speaking about security only but about convenience by work. IE is not convenient.
- I want pages to be loaded faster - heard it, tested it, seen it. Opera is faster than IE.
- I want tabbed browsing - IE doesn't support such modern and convenient things. IE7 would? Well, i'm not installing SP2 just because of one silly browser. I'm sick of being forced to upgrade IF i want to use a certain product. This is pathetic crap.
- The only two integrated things in Windows i DO like are Notepad and the calculator. My practice shows that in 99.9% of the cases it's better to use an alternative product and NOT the one in Windows. Zip support is there and it sucks, burning support is there and it sucks, defragmenter is available and it sucks, firewall is available and it sucks etc.
They are free? From one perspective they are. You get them when you install windows, that's why they're BASIC and sucky. Because they're free. Why should MS try harder when there's no need (kinda logical, i must admit) - those things are free and complains are out of the question. MS wash their hands saying these integrated programs provide ONLY BASIC support and users should install 3rd party software products if they want further support. From a different perspective, however, they're not COMPLETELY free. You do get them with Windows but you pay for Windows, don't you? Just like those commercials: 'Buy this great chef's knife for only $200 and get a free set of steak knives, a knife for cutting fruits, a knife for cutting carpets etc.' The example is made up but the principle is the same. Those other things are included in the price but reffered to as FREE. The average Joe says: 'Cool, maaan, look how many cool knives i get for buying one big one.'
IE falls in the same category as those 'FREE' products.
- IE looks dull, Opera supports skins. True, some people don't like colorful stuff but who said Opera can't look neat & tidy and still NOT boring.
- Opera has a download manager, IE has the function to download files if you get the difference.
- I find Opera to be very well optimized. All this in less than 4MB. IE has larger program code for far less functions. I guess it's because people who make IE are being paid like this $/LoC (amount for every line of code). By Opera and FF it's the other way around.
- Opera has a very helpful feature, rarely needed but nice to have, Zoom it is called.
- Customization by Opera is at an excellent level whereas by IE the only thing customizable is removing or adding buttons from an already defined list. What freedom, what joy, i removed a button.

- Opera has the option to load only cached images in addition to NO images and ALL images. IE has the latter two and you have to complete a quest to get to these options.
- Opera has the ability to save sessions and if a crash occurs you can resume surfing where you left it. With IE God help you not to run into trouble if you have a lot of pages opened and your work is important.
- Opera has the ability to open again once closed tab. So if you accidentally close a page you can re-open it with a few clicks.

The sad part is there are still badly written pages that IE can read and some with streaming media that IE handles better because WMP and its associated formats are property of MS as well as IE. What a coincidence.

I'll sum up:
Opera is about customization and convenience by surfing.
IE is about boredom and conservatism.
Like i said before, this is comparison between Opera and IE. FF is not involved.

I'm sorry for the long post but couldn't stand passive.

Raziel_BG · 23-08-2005

Very sorry to double post but no EDIT button and I missed something.
Someone mentioned about the easier way to get updates for IE. I don't really how large an update could be but frankly I think it could sum up to be as much as an Opera version. You click update and download. OK, i go to Opera's website, download the newer version and install it NORMALLY. Acts as an update. it ain't that much harder. Besides, what happens for some reason Windows need reinstall due to a MAJOR crash or whatever? After reinstall you'd have to click UPDATE again and wait again whereas I can simply install the newest version and forget about it. In this situation time lost to updates is kinda equal. Besides, IE update would most likely want a reboot. The other choice is downloading the updates manually and installing them manually. That way you eliminate the part of having to download the same update over and over. But installing them one by one would take more time than downloading a newer version of Opera or FF. Of course you could save time and not update but you don't want to be like swiss cheese - full of holes, do you?
So don't involve this IE 'advantage'. It's actually worse than FF and Opera. IE is, THE LEAST, as good as the other browsers, NOT BETTER concerning updates.

Nemesys · 23-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raziel_BG

Before i continue: this is a comparison between Opera and IE. FF is left out due to lack of experience with it.
FF and Opera beta browers? That's a good one. It doesn't matter what the damn reason is, IE is most exploited. With so many security issues discovered does it still count as 'final'? IE is closer to being beta than FF or Opera, whether you like it or not. I DO think that if FF or Opera switch places with IE, they will be the most exploited. Until then FF and Opera will remain safer. It doesn't matter if you win a race by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning.
I'm using Opera and i don't think i'll switch to another browes anytime soon.
Why not IE?
- I want configurability - IE can't be configured the way Opera (or FF) can. I'm not speaking about security only but about convenience by work. IE is not convenient.
- I want pages to be loaded faster - heard it, tested it, seen it. Opera is faster than IE.
- I want tabbed browsing - IE doesn't support such modern and convenient things. IE7 would? Well, i'm not installing SP2 just because of one silly browser. I'm sick of being forced to upgrade IF i want to use a certain product. This is pathetic crap.
- The only two integrated things in Windows i DO like are Notepad and the calculator. My practice shows that in 99.9% of the cases it's better to use an alternative product and NOT the one in Windows. Zip support is there and it sucks, burning support is there and it sucks, defragmenter is available and it sucks, firewall is available and it sucks etc.
They are free? From one perspective they are. You get them when you install windows, that's why they're BASIC and sucky. Because they're free. Why should MS try harder when there's no need (kinda logical, i must admit) - those things are free and complains are out of the question. MS wash their hands saying these integrated programs provide ONLY BASIC support and users should install 3rd party software products if they want further support. From a different perspective, however, they're not COMPLETELY free. You do get them with Windows but you pay for Windows, don't you? Just like those commercials: 'Buy this great chef's knife for only $200 and get a free set of steak knives, a knife for cutting fruits, a knife for cutting carpets etc.' The example is made up but the principle is the same. Those other things are included in the price but reffered to as FREE. The average Joe says: 'Cool, maaan, look how many cool knives i get for buying one big one.'
IE falls in the same category as those 'FREE' products.
- IE looks dull, Opera supports skins. True, some people don't like colorful stuff but who said Opera can't look neat & tidy and still NOT boring.
- Opera has a download manager, IE has the function to download files if you get the difference.
- I find Opera to be very well optimized. All this in less than 4MB. IE has larger program code for far less functions. I guess it's because people who make IE are being paid like this $/LoC (amount for every line of code). By Opera and FF it's the other way around.
- Opera has a very helpful feature, rarely needed but nice to have, Zoom it is called.
- Customization by Opera is at an excellent level whereas by IE the only thing customizable is removing or adding buttons from an already defined list. What freedom, what joy, i removed a button.

- Opera has the option to load only cached images in addition to NO images and ALL images. IE has the latter two and you have to complete a quest to get to these options.
- Opera has the ability to save sessions and if a crash occurs you can resume surfing where you left it. With IE God help you not to run into trouble if you have a lot of pages opened and your work is important.
- Opera has the ability to open again once closed tab. So if you accidentally close a page you can re-open it with a few clicks.

The sad part is there are still badly written pages that IE can read and some with streaming media that IE handles better because WMP and its associated formats are property of MS as well as IE. What a coincidence.

I'll sum up:
Opera is about customization and convenience by surfing.
IE is about boredom and conservatism.
Like i said before, this is comparison between Opera and IE. FF is not involved.

I'm sorry for the long post but couldn't stand passive.

Thanks for the biased comparison.
I use all three browsers so I can speak from experience.
With all of the fine points that you glorified Opera with, there still remains one problem.
There are still many web sites that I cannot access with Opera and have to revert to Internet Explorer to access. So all of those accolades are useless to me if the browser cannot achieve the simple task for which it was designed.........browsing the Internet.

My needs are very simple, I don't care for tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, extensions and all of that exotic crap. I just want to know that the browser can securely get me where I want to go. Both Opera and Firefox has failed to do this on too many occasion for me to consider them as replacements for IE. They are simply beta alternatives for the times when web sites require me to relax the security configurations on Internet Explorer, and at that they sometimes still don't fare any bettter. I'm not looking for a feature rich browser, all I seek is a secure browser that can get me to any web site at anytime.

It's that simple. Or is it?

But all in all, I would absolutely choose Opera over Firefox every single time.

Raziel_BG · 23-08-2005

The question why IE displays everything has already been answerd in this topic. Besides those badly written websites Opera works JUST fine. My post was biased, true, but so is yours. You want to securely get to any webpage? Securely? If IE is so secure why are updates released so often?
Yes, i can't speak from experience about FireFox but i can about IE and Opera.
In fact Opera is more secure than IE (FF too as far as i know). I can't make my IE settings for it to be secure, you'd say. Maybe, maybe not. If I want to I'll simply search Google and find what and where must be tweaked. The question is why should I when a safer alternative already exists. And it's more convenient as well.
Don't tell me IE is safe with its default settings. That would be a joke.

Nemesys · 23-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raziel_BG

The question is why should I when a safer alternative already exists. And it's more convenient as well.
.

To answer your question............

Here, try something real simple.
Use Opera or even Firefox to download any firmware from this page......
http://www.liteonit.com/ODD/English/...e_dvd%20rw.asp

For some reason I can't.
But I have absolutely no problems with Internet Explorer.

I hope this example answers your question. If not I have many more examples why these beta browsers cannot be my main browser.

And oh, try this security test that Internet Explorer passed with flying colors.

Multiple Browsers IDN Spoofing Test

Opera has been aware of this since version 7.54 and still they have no fix. I'm running Opera v8.02 build 7680 and still this has not been fixed. At least Microsoft tend to their exposed security flaws. And by the way, I AM NOT A MICROSOFT FAN!!!!!
Opera IDN Spoofing Security Issue

There are no browsers without security flaws, and this certainly includes Opera and Firefox. These are just not exploited as much since they are only minority beta browsers.

Raziel_BG · 24-08-2005

I'm a Lite-On user myself and i know opera can't download from that site.
What can i do if someone doesn't want to or can't make his page work under other browsers. Why are there pages with correct code that Opera has no problems with.
Recently a friend of mine tried opening an online store or something and the picture of the product didn't load in IE. Opera had no problem. I don't really know what the reason was. IE was running at default settings. True, my Outpost Firewall blocks ads but it blocks them in Opera as well and it didn't block this one, so it had to be the browser.
Concerning Lite-On again: that's why i still use IE for a few pages that are written by either a moron or made to work with IE better. My main browser is Opera and IE is secondary because only a very few sites that I visit require IE to be viewed properly. Since the time I spend on them is less than 0.1% why should I deprive myself of convenience and not use Opera. It saves me more time than IE would ever will by normal surfing.
I'm not THAT familiar with security flaws but there has got to be a reason for IE to be titled as more dangerous than the others. Opera and FF have flaws, that's normal. There is no perfect software but if i have to choose between two BAD things i'd choose the LEAST BAD. Let's say Opera is as full of holes as much as IE is (which is not the case and you know it), i'd still pick Opera because it has A LOT MORE features that i like and that make my surfing easier and faster. If you search the web i'm sure you'll find out that Opera is faster at opening pages if you haven't noticed that by yourself.
Opera my have some security issues and IE others. IE has more because it's the most widely spread browser. I think if FF or Opera were as popular as IE, a lot more flaws would be made known. I already said that. But i also said that is a fact that Opera is safer than IE. Safer by 0.1 or 10 or 10526%, it doesn't matter. It's safer. Even if it's by little. Like i said: it doesn't matter if you win a race by an inch or by a meter or by a mile. Winning is winning.

EyeForOne · 29-08-2005

I tend to disagree with IE supporters (hello there Nem), in general, for many reasons - some have been mentioned already (I think I jumped a few pages in the middle of this lengthy thread)...but

I visited the Liteon link to see what's going on - and

* Mozilla 1.6 has no problem rendering the page (Javascript and Java is OFF)

* Notice that the default Character Encoding is "Big5" (Chinese) - this is likely the issue you guys are having.

*edit
ooops - spoke too soon - I see Nem originally stated he can NOT D/L from the page - and he is correct - I can't either using Moz/FF...I notice it's an .ASP page - that may have something to do with it, and I don't know enough about html coding to figure out what else is actually wrong
/*edit

I originally went to view the source to check out whether the blocked ad on top right was stopping the rest of the page from loading (like a prerequisite Object or Frame)

...ergo - another reason to like alternate browsers
see; http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...lipboard01.png
mucho info about the page can be found out easily..

In general - for me;
* Mozilla / Firefox = Beta (still many things that I dislike about the interface)
* Opera ? Dunno = Beta Female perhaps

* IE = Omega

remember IE also has full OS support behind it, and most of it's components are loaded at system startup (DLLs,etc)....but I used to use IE with no issues whatsoever, other than the ms's own built-in spyware issues. I stopped using it sometime soon after IE6 was released, but was already quite familiar with it since IE4.

Power Users (the term I use for anyone who tweaks often and likes it

) should have no issues buttoning down and using IE (as I have in the past, with no malware, no viruses, no infections etc) -

As I see it - the major problems used to stem from all the "casual" (oh...look - a computer - let's surf the web) users, who have had to deal with IE before the 272MB

SP2 patch...ms has been playing their hand all along (and most buy into the hype) - doing just the minimum necessary patching over many years - to keep the average joe/jane from being too scared to press the PowerOn button.

btw - I don't use 2K/XP regularly at all - and I likely never will - but I do know quite a bit about them (as Nem can attest to)

The International Character exploits have long been fixed in Moz/FF , since it was first learned of - it was a swift, fast, small, and easy fix - unlike most ms fixes, that linger for years before they're attended to....but that doesn't mean those who are savvy, can't use IE reliably, nor should they change if they are happy with it. It's the NEW users that have no clue, that continue to allow the proliferation of nasties ...and NEW systems that should have alternative browser/s as a choice IMO, such as when Netscape 4.06 and IE4 were bundled together (but that's when the Java VM peaked as a real proprietary mess)

I wasn't going to post at all - but that Chinese "BIG5" Character Encoding was glaringly obvious, I thought I'd mention it.

zebadee · 29-08-2005

Hi

For the last 6 months I've used FF.
This weekend I went back to IE (7Beta)
The reason despite lots of addons still the c**p got through. Plus speed was not brilliant. Finally sites not letting you access them & of those that do some had anomolies.
IE 7 loads site/page in under 0.05 sec, not slow & also keeps the c**p out.

drpino · 29-08-2005

about:config in FF reveals many of the wonders of FF...

Mr. Horse · 29-08-2005

I don't understand why anyone would refer to non Microsoft browsers as "beta browsers" considering that IE is the least compatible and secure out of almost all of them.

EyeForOne · 29-08-2005

* Yes - my Mozilla install loads pages fast as heck - especially with JS turned off

* I refer to all decent browsers as BETA, until I found ANY one worth being called ALPHA

(note how IE is far down on my list of greek letters)

actually Konqueror (KDE) comes quite close to an ALPHA - since there are many more features than either IE or Moz/FF (which can be toggled On/Off per page)

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paddygman CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer right i've jsut gotten off the fone with the browser gods and they aint very happy... supposedly that IE should have died a death a long time agao and been replaced by a newer much more advanced version completely different and far superior called MOZILLA FIREFOX. As for the IE explorer they blame modern medicine and virus technology for its continued resusitation. They also predict a new age of FIREFOX to overcome this inferior race or IE and claim its rightful place. Well thats what the browser gods said....

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paddygman CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer On another note i also agree with the other posts about makin webpages more accessable to other browsers and not just to firefox i believe it to be descrimination just to devote pages to IE if a browser reaches enough usage to create this much discussion it should be recognised and therfore coded for! Just my 2 cents take it as you will

01-05-2005	#105 (permalink)
drpino CD Freaks Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: nYc Posts: 4,891	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer no doubt that coding sites/pages for full multi-browser compatibility is a PITA...but with 50MM+ downloads of Firefox, us "surfers" have now got some leverage to go to webmasters who aren't as conscious as you are of the w3.org standards. __________________ AMD A64 Clawhammer 3200+ / TT Venus 7+ / ASUS K8V Dlx / Corsair TwinX 4000PRO (2x512) WD360GD 236GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD800JB 80GB PATA / IBM Deskstar 25.4GB PATA ASUS R9800XT / VX900 19"CRT / Boston Acoustics BA7500 4.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512) WD740GD 274GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD2500SD/JD 2250GB SATA / Seagate 2160GB PATA / Maxtor OneTouchII 300GB Ext (Firewire) ATI X800XL / Viewsonic VP201s 20.1"LCD / Creative SBAudigy2ZS Plat / Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B

18-05-2005	#106 (permalink)
paddygman CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 49	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer i agree have recently converted all my colleagues at work to firefox and all of us agree it to be the superior browser.

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15-06-2005	#108 (permalink)
leebo CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 69	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Been using FF for three weeks now. I like it better than IE, but two things are driving me crazy: Say I'm reading a web page and I've scrolled halfway down. I then click a link to read another article. When I click the return button, it returns me to the original page, but to the top, not to the same spot I was looking at before I clicked the link. IE returns me to the same spot. I cant figure out how to change the default download location from the desktop. IE let me download into whichever folder I chose.

15-06-2005	#109 (permalink)
besmirch CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: P(r)oland\|Falkenberg Posts: 520	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer ... i hate .. when after fresh reinstal .. using IE .. 7s i have msblast ... i hate ... when using IE .. i get spyware in 1 min of using .. hate this ... Opera/FF ... the only alternatives __________________ "It's like I'll disappear as soon as I close my eyes I feel like I've turned into someone that even I don't recognize"

18-07-2005	#110 (permalink)
ILikePie CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: in front of my b0x0r? Posts: 39	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer open source = PWNAGE!!! thats why you should switch to ff, its so awesome, and all those plugins like adblock.. I havent seen an ad in ages! just download the right filter, search their website forum for a guy named "teh pro" I had to leave a link

18-07-2005	#111 (permalink)
Nemesys CD Freaks Die Hard Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 1,023	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I'm a proud IE user and will never switch to any of these beta browsers. I have had both Firefox and Opera installed for years and neither holds a candle to IE. These beta browsers are simple fixes for those who cannot properly configure IE. Software configuration has always been the user's responsibility. That's why all software comes with "Help" files so it can be configured to individual needs instead of depending on the software manufacturer to create easy "one size fits all" settings everytime a new exploit is discovered. __________________ Case: Chieftec Dragon Golden Blue DX-01BLD-U Server Chassis Motherboard: ABIT IP35 Pro CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz @ 4.0GHz (Tuniq Tower 120 CPU Cooling) RAM: 2GB Crucial Ballistix PC-8500 DDR2 1066 Video Card: GeForce 7900GT 256MB PCI Express x16 Sound Card: SoundBlaster Audigy ES Monitor: Hanns-G HW-223DPB (22” LCD) Audio System: MASSIVE NIC: Dual Realtek Gigabit Ethernet Controller CD-RW: TDK AI-481648B converted to Lite-On LTR-52246S 6S0F DVD-RAM: Samsung SH-S203B SB03 DVD-RW: BenQ DW1655 BCIB Hard Drive (Internal Storage): Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA II File Storage Hard Drive (Removables): (3) LIAN-LI SATA Mobile Racks Drive #1. Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA II WIN XP Professional Drive #2. Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA II WIN Vista Ultimate Drive #3. Seagate Barracuda 80G SATA II Testing

24-07-2005	#112 (permalink)
ILikePie CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: in front of my b0x0r? Posts: 39	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I have no problems configuring IE, but its actually alot slower than most other browsers.. not to mention the security is probably as tight as ehh, maybe I should just leave that piece out to your mind, dont wanna get banned here :P I've been dealing with common home user and network security for 6+ years now, and I can say as a fact that it is probably one of and maybe even the most unsafe browser ever made... especially when it comes to updating of new security risks. I still use it, but only when I need to use windows update - proof of microsoft allways taking advantage over their marketing position. anyone with experience in security of todays computersystems can tell you that,- when have you ever ever ever in your life have you heard a computer wiz mention Internet Explorer and security in the same sentence?! - ( of course not when it comes to the LACK of security ) webdevelopers can also tell you about IE's "super duper " CSS support... Its not even following the CSS rules!? I could go on and on about this, and also try out opera everyone, its the shiznit...

09-08-2005	#114 (permalink)
BeardedKirklander CD Freak Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: United States Posts: 2,949	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I use IE 6 with Maxthon and have the default internet zone of IE locked down, and only those I move to the Trusted Zone have scripting enabled. The combination of IE 6 configured that way and Maxthon make for a very nice, usable, productive setup. I like Mozilla and Firefox ok, just prefer the IE 6 / Maxthon combo. Good stuff.

23-08-2005	#116 (permalink)
Raziel_BG CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 49	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Very sorry to double post but no EDIT button and I missed something. Someone mentioned about the easier way to get updates for IE. I don't really how large an update could be but frankly I think it could sum up to be as much as an Opera version. You click update and download. OK, i go to Opera's website, download the newer version and install it NORMALLY. Acts as an update. it ain't that much harder. Besides, what happens for some reason Windows need reinstall due to a MAJOR crash or whatever? After reinstall you'd have to click UPDATE again and wait again whereas I can simply install the newest version and forget about it. In this situation time lost to updates is kinda equal. Besides, IE update would most likely want a reboot. The other choice is downloading the updates manually and installing them manually. That way you eliminate the part of having to download the same update over and over. But installing them one by one would take more time than downloading a newer version of Opera or FF. Of course you could save time and not update but you don't want to be like swiss cheese - full of holes, do you? So don't involve this IE 'advantage'. It's actually worse than FF and Opera. IE is, THE LEAST, as good as the other browsers, NOT BETTER concerning updates.

23-08-2005	#118 (permalink)
Raziel_BG CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 49	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer The question why IE displays everything has already been answerd in this topic. Besides those badly written websites Opera works JUST fine. My post was biased, true, but so is yours. You want to securely get to any webpage? Securely? If IE is so secure why are updates released so often? Yes, i can't speak from experience about FireFox but i can about IE and Opera. In fact Opera is more secure than IE (FF too as far as i know). I can't make my IE settings for it to be secure, you'd say. Maybe, maybe not. If I want to I'll simply search Google and find what and where must be tweaked. The question is why should I when a safer alternative already exists. And it's more convenient as well. Don't tell me IE is safe with its default settings. That would be a joke.

24-08-2005	#120 (permalink)
Raziel_BG CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 49	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I'm a Lite-On user myself and i know opera can't download from that site. What can i do if someone doesn't want to or can't make his page work under other browsers. Why are there pages with correct code that Opera has no problems with. Recently a friend of mine tried opening an online store or something and the picture of the product didn't load in IE. Opera had no problem. I don't really know what the reason was. IE was running at default settings. True, my Outpost Firewall blocks ads but it blocks them in Opera as well and it didn't block this one, so it had to be the browser. Concerning Lite-On again: that's why i still use IE for a few pages that are written by either a moron or made to work with IE better. My main browser is Opera and IE is secondary because only a very few sites that I visit require IE to be viewed properly. Since the time I spend on them is less than 0.1% why should I deprive myself of convenience and not use Opera. It saves me more time than IE would ever will by normal surfing. I'm not THAT familiar with security flaws but there has got to be a reason for IE to be titled as more dangerous than the others. Opera and FF have flaws, that's normal. There is no perfect software but if i have to choose between two BAD things i'd choose the LEAST BAD. Let's say Opera is as full of holes as much as IE is (which is not the case and you know it), i'd still pick Opera because it has A LOT MORE features that i like and that make my surfing easier and faster. If you search the web i'm sure you'll find out that Opera is faster at opening pages if you haven't noticed that by yourself. Opera my have some security issues and IE others. IE has more because it's the most widely spread browser. I think if FF or Opera were as popular as IE, a lot more flaws would be made known. I already said that. But i also said that is a fact that Opera is safer than IE. Safer by 0.1 or 10 or 10526%, it doesn't matter. It's safer. Even if it's by little. Like i said: it doesn't matter if you win a race by an inch or by a meter or by a mile. Winning is winning.

29-08-2005	#121 (permalink)
EyeForOne CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: 3rd Stone Posts: 336	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I tend to disagree with IE supporters (hello there Nem), in general, for many reasons - some have been mentioned already (I think I jumped a few pages in the middle of this lengthy thread)...but I visited the Liteon link to see what's going on - and * Mozilla 1.6 has no problem rendering the page (Javascript and Java is OFF) * Notice that the default Character Encoding is "Big5" (Chinese) - this is likely the issue you guys are having. edit ooops - spoke too soon - I see Nem originally stated he can NOT D/L from the page - and he is correct - I can't either using Moz/FF...I notice it's an .ASP page - that may have something to do with it, and I don't know enough about html coding to figure out what else is actually wrong /edit I originally went to view the source to check out whether the blocked ad on top right was stopping the rest of the page from loading (like a prerequisite Object or Frame) ...ergo - another reason to like alternate browsers see; http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...lipboard01.png mucho info about the page can be found out easily.. In general - for me; * Mozilla / Firefox = Beta (still many things that I dislike about the interface) * Opera ? Dunno = Beta Female perhaps * IE = Omega remember IE also has full OS support behind it, and most of it's components are loaded at system startup (DLLs,etc)....but I used to use IE with no issues whatsoever, other than the ms's own built-in spyware issues. I stopped using it sometime soon after IE6 was released, but was already quite familiar with it since IE4. Power Users (the term I use for anyone who tweaks often and likes it ) should have no issues buttoning down and using IE (as I have in the past, with no malware, no viruses, no infections etc) - As I see it - the major problems used to stem from all the "casual" (oh...look - a computer - let's surf the web) users, who have had to deal with IE before the 272MB SP2 patch...ms has been playing their hand all along (and most buy into the hype) - doing just the minimum necessary patching over many years - to keep the average joe/jane from being too scared to press the PowerOn button. btw - I don't use 2K/XP regularly at all - and I likely never will - but I do know quite a bit about them (as Nem can attest to) The International Character exploits have long been fixed in Moz/FF , since it was first learned of - it was a swift, fast, small, and easy fix - unlike most ms fixes, that linger for years before they're attended to....but that doesn't mean those who are savvy, can't use IE reliably, nor should they change if they are happy with it. It's the NEW users that have no clue, that continue to allow the proliferation of nasties ...and NEW systems that should have alternative browser/s as a choice IMO, such as when Netscape 4.06 and IE4 were bundled together (but that's when the Java VM peaked as a real proprietary mess) I wasn't going to post at all - but that Chinese "BIG5" Character Encoding was glaringly obvious, I thought I'd mention it.

29-08-2005	#122 (permalink)
zebadee CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hiding in backwater. Posts: 4,762	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Hi For the last 6 months I've used FF. This weekend I went back to IE (7Beta) The reason despite lots of addons still the cp got through. Plus speed was not brilliant. Finally sites not letting you access them & of those that do some had anomolies. IE 7 loads site/page in under 0.05 sec, not slow & also keeps the cp out. __________________ Click HERE to join cdfreaks.com Hi, I'm a BQFlasher: with aWOPC Tool: tendency suffering from MediaCodeSpeedEdit: BenQs' QSuite 2.1: Plus Manual: Meet the family Slysoft (Daddy) AnyDVD - (Mommy) CloneDVD2 - (Son) CloneCD - (Nephew) CloneDVDmobile CD/DVDSpeed: + NEW User's Guide[en]: [Italian ver:] Plus ala42's EnableSolidBurnReg: WinDWFlash: FWCheck:

29-08-2005	#123 (permalink)
drpino CD Freaks Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: nYc Posts: 4,891	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer about:config in FF reveals many of the wonders of FF... __________________ AMD A64 Clawhammer 3200+ / TT Venus 7+ / ASUS K8V Dlx / Corsair TwinX 4000PRO (2x512) WD360GD 236GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD800JB 80GB PATA / IBM Deskstar 25.4GB PATA ASUS R9800XT / VX900 19"CRT / Boston Acoustics BA7500 4.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512) WD740GD 274GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD2500SD/JD 2250GB SATA / Seagate 2160GB PATA / Maxtor OneTouchII 300GB Ext (Firewire) ATI X800XL / Viewsonic VP201s 20.1"LCD / Creative SBAudigy2ZS Plat / Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B

29-08-2005	#124 (permalink)
Mr. Horse CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 531	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I don't understand why anyone would refer to non Microsoft browsers as "beta browsers" considering that IE is the least compatible and secure out of almost all of them.

29-08-2005	#125 (permalink)
EyeForOne CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: 3rd Stone Posts: 336	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer * Yes - my Mozilla install loads pages fast as heck - especially with JS turned off * I refer to all decent browsers as BETA, until I found ANY one worth being called ALPHA (note how IE is far down on my list of greek letters) actually Konqueror (KDE) comes quite close to an ALPHA - since there are many more features than either IE or Moz/FF (which can be toggled On/Off per page)