Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer - Page 3 - Club CD Freaks

nmpaulcp · 17-10-2004

Ihave tried using others and I am not switching browsers till I find something that is appreciably better. As for scripts I use Avast AV script blocker since getting my first virus after entering a questionable site. (My bad for going there.)

merther02 · 18-10-2004

Let me just say this...

IE 4 LIFE!!!

Clany · 19-10-2004

I have some experience to tell you from the last days.(from my neighbours pc problem with the DSL speed)
A fresh Windows with IE.
no antivirus software or any antispyware blockin software or a firewall.
The Results are 36 viruses/trjoans/worms some very common things like blaster mydoom and some others.
Thats wasnt all a shitload when you look at the upload and the result is you cant do anything with ie.

And you know what ? That all in just 15mins

Same System with firefox and you are somewhat saver

mercian · 19-10-2004

Never heard of Mozzila Firefox. What is it and where did you get it?

Clany · 20-10-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercian

Never heard of Mozzila Firefox. What is it and where did you get it?

http://www.mozilla.org/

kikibug · 25-10-2004

Has anyone noticed that Firefox falls asleep when burning cd or dvd is in progress? Because I go nuts!
Anyway, I just wanted to drop a line for Opera too - never mind the banners, then can be ignored in the unregistered verson. Am trying Firefox now, it's simple and elegant - not without problems, of course, but noone is perfect... Enjoy!

code65536 · 25-10-2004

Falls asleep? Are you talking about Firefox taking a long time to "wake up" if you have it minimized for a long time?

This was filed as a bug some time ago for Mozilla applications in general. I do not recall the bug ID. But it turns out that the problem is that Mozilla apps are "good neighbors" and will yield their space in active memory very quickly when they get minimized, and thus are quickly paged out. Once they are paged out, un-minimizing them takes a long time. Most other Windows apps do not play as nice and actually take steps to prevent them from being paged out into the swapfile when they are minimized, which is why bloatier programs like Photoshop will actually take less time to recover from minimization.

The resolution to the "bug" was the creation of a hidden feature...

In user.js in your profile directory (create user.js if it does not exist), add the following line:
user_pref("config.trim_on_minimize", false);

This was added in FF 0.9. Was broken for a number of the 0.9 releases. And was fixed for 1.0 PR.

kikibug · 26-10-2004

I see. Probably that is part of the problem, although I don't mean minimizing, only switching between windows, or trying to open a new instance of Firefox. Also about loading pages - specifically when burning of a CD/DVD is in progress. First noticed on good old Yahoo! mail - the vertical menu in the left gets streched the whole width of the browser.

cerberus · 09-11-2004

Mozilla releases Firefox 1.0

The final version is not too much different from those that have been released earlier this week. It has some changes to the start page and some minor fixes

www.mozzilla.com

news from the inquirer

code65536 · 09-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerberus

Mozilla releases Firefox 1.0

The final version is not too much different from those that have been released earlier this week. It has some changes to the start page and some minor fixes

www.mozzilla.com

news from the inquirer

I think Mozilla is a .org. And unlike a certain type of cheese, they only have one 'z'.

cerberus · 09-11-2004

oops

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/index.html

code65536 · 09-11-2004

Or as a torrent, since the website is overburdened...
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o....0.exe.torrent

Airhead · 09-11-2004

danke code

tribalgear@comcas · 10-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoner

Back off IE fanboy, don't make me sic debro on your ass.

Stoner you need to lay off the weed or pestisides for awhile:-)

tribalgear@comcas · 10-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercian

Never heard of Mozzila Firefox. What is it and where did you get it?

Here ya go >>>http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

Clany · 10-11-2004

The 1.0 final is great O.o
speed is godlike.
Now i wait for the "IE is GREAT" and "IE RULEZ" guys lol
The implementation of the you got new mail feature is also nice.
The updating of the plugins worked also really good.

GameCrazi911 · 11-11-2004

I Tried FireFox And It Worked Great For Me Thanks

NBR · 07-12-2004

im picky when it comes to changeing webbrowsers... i used ie6 for the longest time but once firefox came along i started using that once i got used to it and i aint never going back to IE... it has a nice clean interface and it aint bloated at all. (not to mention firefox is more secure "overall" )

opera is a fast webbrowser no doubt about that, but reason i like firefox alot better (not counting the fact firefox is free) is opera's interface is more cluttered as where firefox is more simple

... firefox went the smart route in leaving up "add-on" stuff to the individual to install which is a smart thing.

sure u can argue that firefox may have just as many security flaws as ie6 does if it was just as popular... which it might... but the fact of the matter is as of today firefox is plain and simply more secure than IE is... plus no activex support in firefox that right there eliminates alot of what makes ie bad.

bottom line... your average person dont want to mess with installing software to get on the internet! which means there just gonna use whats installed already in windows which is IE! and for your average user there aint much reason to switch webbrowsers since IE displays ALL sites correctly unlike firefox

but i think firefox is better cause it does support standards... maybe in a few years time everyone will start making stuff based on those standards.

cause i have ran into a few sites that dont work properly with firefox but ill manage

code65536 · 07-12-2004

That's what the "view in IE" extension is for.

But I stopped visiting those IE-only sites a long time ago. Don't seem to be many left anyway.

The really funny ones are the ones that say "please use the latest version of IE or Netscape"... erm, Netscape shares the same engine as Firefox... that caused me to put "Netscape" in my UA string a while ago, but those websites seem to be disappearing, too. Speaking of which, have people seen the new Netscape? The one that's currently in a (very) limited beta based on Firefox?

Opera is nice, but as someone so aptly put it in the Opera web forum (of all places), "Why use FireFox over Opera? Because it's free."

**xtacydima** · 07-12-2004

I think if IE offered tabbed browsing (now it has built in popupstopper) it will be in lead with Firefox and Opera, and will have no customization needed upon install. It would make a huge world of difference for IE users.

code65536 · 07-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtacydima

I think if IE offered...

...and RSS feed support... and more sensible CSS2 support... and extension support (FlashBlock, WeatherFox, Magpie)... and the quick-search bar (IMDb and Wikipedia are indispensible, along with having a quick Google search without a Googlebar that takes up a whole toolbar's worth of space)... and the find toolbar with the highlight feature... but I agree, tabbed browsing with the ability to quickly open and close tabs with the middle-click is huge for me.

Number 8 · 08-12-2004

Nobody's mentioned the licence. Yes "Firefox" is free, freely distributable. I expect your thinking *grandma, eggs, suck* and shut-up newby but for many people the fact that "firefox" **may be a fraction slower is secondary to its development as free software.
**I was unable to distinguish which browser was faster.
Thanks for reading.
[number 8]

eXotic dUck · 26-12-2004

hi hi all.

joined this discussion a bit late and i havent read most of the material.

However i have used firefox and ie and both for a decent ammount of time.

When it comes down to the nitty gritty they both have there goods and bads, however i found that i could put up with the lacking features of ie6 rather than some annoying things in firefox.

I dont know why, but for some reason, however small, these main things in firefox gave me this shits so incredibly bad, that no matter how many creature comforts i added, it still just seemed easier to use ie.

First of all, in firefox, when you scroll down a page with mousewheel, its a lot rougher and harder on the eyes than with ie.

second, the load time of firefox is about 3 times that of ie.

third, the download manager really does do fuck all!?!? i couldnt figure that out really. i dont get the point of it. the resume doesnt work, and if you pause then unpause the download goes slow as shit.

the good points for it however, totally customizable, very comfortable and easy to skin.

i really do think the net surfing for dialup (at least) is a bit quicker,

the search bar (google or watnot) built into the frame was great

the tabbing was good, however when you create a new tab it should open in the page that you were on <===that should go in a bad :S

absolutely adored the link bar system

skinning and putting addons was piss easy. oh and loved the gmail notifier

Thats basically it
cyas

ps: i'm sure both parties will find some common grounds within my statement for both browsers

nooby god · 26-12-2004

if you have any problems with firefox post a bug at their bugzilla thing.

PC-GUY · 26-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Belvedere

(sigh) People of cdfreaks, do i have to keep explaining why IE is so popular amongst the more gullible netizens?

The main popularity issue of IE comes from one thing only : It's pre-installed when you buy a pc. Yes. You buy a pc, you get some form of Windows on it and therefore you have IE. The normal user doesn't need more, so he (where i type he i mean he,she,it,aliens,borgs,fluffy animals and a couple of swedes) will not download.

The main compatibility issue of IE comes from one thing only as well. It can handle ANYTHING. It doesn't handle it good, but it can handle scripts, active-x, java, flash, you name it. It can even handle INCORRECT HTML.

This last one is the most important one here. More than 90% of all websites DO NOT follow the standard international rules of HTML. As with any decent program, you should get an error when something doesn't apply to protocol. Mozilla does, Opera does, FireFox does, Arachne does, but not IE. IE ignores everything and can read any crap HTML. IE can even use .ASP, .NET and all other fun things Microsoft reinvented. It's so "inventive" it can be used as a filescanner, mailer,msn notifier and so forth.

This is also the fundamental problem of IE. Because it accepts and reads anything, it also automagically installs dangerous scripts and is very susceptible to malicious plugins (Auto Dailers, Porn scripts, toolbars, you name it).

So, there's three things you can do :

1 : Learn how to browse (as in "learn how to drive a car")
2 : Protect IE (www.windowsupdate.com)
3 : Use another browser.

Face it

MS suck they do as little as possible to fix problem in their os and people pay for that so ho much do you think they will fix on something that is free? I use mozilla for everything and I never have problem. I've had more problems with IE and pops and lets not forget home page hijacking which I've never had a problem on mozilla with that. When you get about:blank then tell me how much you like IE.

17-10-2004	#51 (permalink)
nmpaulcp CD Freaks Die Hard Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On the westside Posts: 1,381	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Ihave tried using others and I am not switching browsers till I find something that is appreciably better. As for scripts I use Avast AV script blocker since getting my first virus after entering a questionable site. (My bad for going there.) __________________ A warrior doesn't know remorse for anything he has done, because to isolate one's acts as being mean, or ugly, or evil is to place an unwarranted importance on ourselves.The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable or we make ourselves strong. The amount of the work is the same.

18-10-2004	#52 (permalink)
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19-10-2004	#53 (permalink)
Clany CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 445	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I have some experience to tell you from the last days.(from my neighbours pc problem with the DSL speed) A fresh Windows with IE. no antivirus software or any antispyware blockin software or a firewall. The Results are 36 viruses/trjoans/worms some very common things like blaster mydoom and some others. Thats wasnt all a shitload when you look at the upload and the result is you cant do anything with ie. And you know what ? That all in just 15mins Same System with firefox and you are somewhat saver

19-10-2004	#54 (permalink)
mercian New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Never heard of Mozzila Firefox. What is it and where did you get it?

25-10-2004	#56 (permalink)
kikibug CD Freaks Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ruse, Bulgaria Posts: 199	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Has anyone noticed that Firefox falls asleep when burning cd or dvd is in progress? Because I go nuts! Anyway, I just wanted to drop a line for Opera too - never mind the banners, then can be ignored in the unregistered verson. Am trying Firefox now, it's simple and elegant - not without problems, of course, but noone is perfect... Enjoy! __________________ ---- Nothing is ever easy. Zedd

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25-10-2004	#57 (permalink)
code65536 CD Freaks Guru Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: .us Posts: 5,931	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Falls asleep? Are you talking about Firefox taking a long time to "wake up" if you have it minimized for a long time? This was filed as a bug some time ago for Mozilla applications in general. I do not recall the bug ID. But it turns out that the problem is that Mozilla apps are "good neighbors" and will yield their space in active memory very quickly when they get minimized, and thus are quickly paged out. Once they are paged out, un-minimizing them takes a long time. Most other Windows apps do not play as nice and actually take steps to prevent them from being paged out into the swapfile when they are minimized, which is why bloatier programs like Photoshop will actually take less time to recover from minimization. The resolution to the "bug" was the creation of a hidden feature... In user.js in your profile directory (create user.js if it does not exist), add the following line: user_pref("config.trim_on_minimize", false); This was added in FF 0.9. Was broken for a number of the 0.9 releases. And was fixed for 1.0 PR. __________________ "You don't have to be a supporter of freedom of speech to protest when your own ox is being gored. You do have to be a supporter of freedom of speech to protest when the government tries to censor the speech of those who are goring your ox." -Alan M. Dershowitz LiteOn Stuff: LiteOn F.A.Q. \| OmniPatcher \| DVD-Writer Overview \| Changing Write Strategies \| Crossflashing \| XFlash Utility General Stuff: DVD-Writer F.A.Q. \| Rules of the Optical Drive Forums \| Attaching Scans \| The rpc1.org Firmware Database Code Guys: http://codeguys.rpc1.org/ \| send us e-mail I Use: Firefox + ClassicFox \| Google Talk (Jabber) using Gaim for Windows \| Winamp \| EAC \| Google Earth C64K: My Travel Photos \| In Retirement...

26-10-2004	#58 (permalink)
kikibug CD Freaks Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ruse, Bulgaria Posts: 199	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I see. Probably that is part of the problem, although I don't mean minimizing, only switching between windows, or trying to open a new instance of Firefox. Also about loading pages - specifically when burning of a CD/DVD is in progress. First noticed on good old Yahoo! mail - the vertical menu in the left gets streched the whole width of the browser. __________________ ---- Nothing is ever easy. Zedd

09-11-2004	#59 (permalink)
cerberus CD Freak Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,079	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Mozilla releases Firefox 1.0 The final version is not too much different from those that have been released earlier this week. It has some changes to the start page and some minor fixes www.mozzilla.com news from the inquirer __________________ Pioneer 107D fw 1.21 >NIL: Plextor PX-716A fw 1.10 [My Music]

09-11-2004	#61 (permalink)
cerberus CD Freak Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,079	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer oops http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/index.html __________________ Pioneer 107D fw 1.21 >NIL: Plextor PX-716A fw 1.10 [My Music]

09-11-2004	#62 (permalink)
code65536 CD Freaks Guru Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: .us Posts: 5,931	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Or as a torrent, since the website is overburdened... http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o....0.exe.torrent __________________ "You don't have to be a supporter of freedom of speech to protest when your own ox is being gored. You do have to be a supporter of freedom of speech to protest when the government tries to censor the speech of those who are goring your ox." -Alan M. Dershowitz LiteOn Stuff: LiteOn F.A.Q. \| OmniPatcher \| DVD-Writer Overview \| Changing Write Strategies \| Crossflashing \| XFlash Utility General Stuff: DVD-Writer F.A.Q. \| Rules of the Optical Drive Forums \| Attaching Scans \| The rpc1.org Firmware Database Code Guys: http://codeguys.rpc1.org/ \| send us e-mail I Use: Firefox + ClassicFox \| Google Talk (Jabber) using Gaim for Windows \| Winamp \| EAC \| Google Earth C64K: My Travel Photos \| In Retirement...

09-11-2004	#63 (permalink)
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10-11-2004	#66 (permalink)
Clany CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 445	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer The 1.0 final is great O.o speed is godlike. Now i wait for the "IE is GREAT" and "IE RULEZ" guys lol The implementation of the you got new mail feature is also nice. The updating of the plugins worked also really good.

11-11-2004	#67 (permalink)
GameCrazi911 New on Forum Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: MN Posts: 16	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I Tried FireFox And It Worked Great For Me Thanks __________________ It's Like A Koala Bear Craped A Rainbow In My Head! Captain Murphy

07-12-2004	#68 (permalink)
NBR CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: USA Posts: 816	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer im picky when it comes to changeing webbrowsers... i used ie6 for the longest time but once firefox came along i started using that once i got used to it and i aint never going back to IE... it has a nice clean interface and it aint bloated at all. (not to mention firefox is more secure "overall" ) opera is a fast webbrowser no doubt about that, but reason i like firefox alot better (not counting the fact firefox is free) is opera's interface is more cluttered as where firefox is more simple ... firefox went the smart route in leaving up "add-on" stuff to the individual to install which is a smart thing. sure u can argue that firefox may have just as many security flaws as ie6 does if it was just as popular... which it might... but the fact of the matter is as of today firefox is plain and simply more secure than IE is... plus no activex support in firefox that right there eliminates alot of what makes ie bad. bottom line... your average person dont want to mess with installing software to get on the internet! which means there just gonna use whats installed already in windows which is IE! and for your average user there aint much reason to switch webbrowsers since IE displays ALL sites correctly unlike firefox but i think firefox is better cause it does support standards... maybe in a few years time everyone will start making stuff based on those standards. cause i have ran into a few sites that dont work properly with firefox but ill manage

07-12-2004	#70 (permalink)
xtacydima Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,794	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer I think if IE offered tabbed browsing (now it has built in popupstopper) it will be in lead with Firefox and Opera, and will have no customization needed upon install. It would make a huge world of difference for IE users. __________________ My Rig: Antec P160 P4 3.0E GHz running WinXP w/SP2 Scythe SCMN-1000 Heatsink w/Arctic Silver 5 Antec TruePower 2.0 TP2-550 (550W power supply) ASUS P4C800 Deluxe Motherboard 2GB RAM - Corsair XMS TWINX2048 (2x1GB) 3200C2Pro CL2.0 ATI RADEON X850XT AGP 2 - WD 37GB Raptor's (in RAID 0) via onboard Promise controller Western Digital 250GB SATA HDD on Primary SATA channel Western Digital 150GB SATA HDD on Secondary SATA channel Lite-On LTR-52246S 6S0F (IDE1 Master) Lite-On JLMS XJ-HD166S DS1C (IDE1 Slave) *NEC 3500AG 2.TC Quiet* (IDE2 Master) Lite-On SOHW 1673S JS07 (via USB 2.0 to IDE & set to Master)** Found a Solution here helpful? Like the forum's? Well then, what are you waiting for JOIN NOW!!!

07-12-2004	#69 (permalink)
code65536 CD Freaks Guru Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: .us Posts: 5,931	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer That's what the "view in IE" extension is for. But I stopped visiting those IE-only sites a long time ago. Don't seem to be many left anyway. The really funny ones are the ones that say "please use the latest version of IE or Netscape"... erm, Netscape shares the same engine as Firefox... that caused me to put "Netscape" in my UA string a while ago, but those websites seem to be disappearing, too. Speaking of which, have people seen the new Netscape? The one that's currently in a (very) limited beta based on Firefox? Opera is nice, but as someone so aptly put it in the Opera web forum (of all places), "Why use FireFox over Opera? Because it's free." __________________ "You don't have to be a supporter of freedom of speech to protest when your own ox is being gored. You do have to be a supporter of freedom of speech to protest when the government tries to censor the speech of those who are goring your ox." -Alan M. Dershowitz LiteOn Stuff: LiteOn F.A.Q. \| OmniPatcher \| DVD-Writer Overview \| Changing Write Strategies \| Crossflashing \| XFlash Utility General Stuff: DVD-Writer F.A.Q. \| Rules of the Optical Drive Forums \| Attaching Scans \| The rpc1.org Firmware Database Code Guys: http://codeguys.rpc1.org/ \| send us e-mail I Use: Firefox + ClassicFox \| Google Talk (Jabber) using Gaim for Windows \| Winamp \| EAC \| Google Earth C64K: My Travel Photos \| In Retirement...

08-12-2004	#72 (permalink)
Number 8 CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: U.K. Posts: 55	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer Nobody's mentioned the licence. Yes "Firefox" is free, freely distributable. I expect your thinking grandma, eggs, suck and shut-up newby but for many people the fact that "firefox" may be a fraction slower is secondary to its development as free software. I was unable to distinguish which browser was faster. Thanks for reading. [number 8]

26-12-2004	#73 (permalink)
eXotic dUck New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer hi hi all. joined this discussion a bit late and i havent read most of the material. However i have used firefox and ie and both for a decent ammount of time. When it comes down to the nitty gritty they both have there goods and bads, however i found that i could put up with the lacking features of ie6 rather than some annoying things in firefox. I dont know why, but for some reason, however small, these main things in firefox gave me this shits so incredibly bad, that no matter how many creature comforts i added, it still just seemed easier to use ie. First of all, in firefox, when you scroll down a page with mousewheel, its a lot rougher and harder on the eyes than with ie. second, the load time of firefox is about 3 times that of ie. third, the download manager really does do fuck all!?!? i couldnt figure that out really. i dont get the point of it. the resume doesnt work, and if you pause then unpause the download goes slow as shit. the good points for it however, totally customizable, very comfortable and easy to skin. i really do think the net surfing for dialup (at least) is a bit quicker, the search bar (google or watnot) built into the frame was great the tabbing was good, however when you create a new tab it should open in the page that you were on <===that should go in a bad :S absolutely adored the link bar system skinning and putting addons was piss easy. oh and loved the gmail notifier Thats basically it cyas ps: i'm sure both parties will find some common grounds within my statement for both browsers __________________ -dUcky- P4 3.00ghz GigaByte IPE1000 Mobo 1GB Dual Channel Kingston DDR3200 19" Phillips Flat 109B5 LDW-811s HR08

26-12-2004	#74 (permalink)
nooby god CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 381	Re: Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer if you have any problems with firefox post a bug at their bugzilla thing. __________________ Get Firefox! Help Spread The Fire!!!