M$ authentication question - Club CDFreaks

dc3 · 12-04-2007

Can someone please tell me exactly what M$ looks for on line to authenticate your OS.

**TimC** · 12-04-2007

I'd say a genuine, non-blacklisted key that matches the version installed.

I'm moving this to General Software.

dc3 · 13-04-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimC

I'd say a genuine, non-blacklisted key that matches the version installed.

I'm moving this to General Software.

Other than the appropriate product key, what specifically do they look for in the hardware? I know that if you change out the motherboard they will no longer recognize it.

*slayerking* · 13-04-2007

you're mixing up authentication with activation. The online authentication looks at your serial number and version of windows you have for example if you have win xp home oem version it will look for an xp home oem serial number that is valid, if it's blacklisted it will return that it's not a valid install

dc3 · 13-04-2007

I'm talking about the authentication process that you go through when you go to get download from M$.

Hunter4u · 13-04-2007

that is what he just stated to you, it checks to see if it is a valid install, if it isn't you get no download from them.

MetalSlayerX · 13-04-2007

Activation/Aunthentication checks for:
Product key
PC manufacturer
Windows version
PID/SID
BIOS information
BIOS MD5 Checksum
Language setting and version
Hard drive serial number

Doesn't match, deny download. They probably keep these tidbits of info on their activation system and force check against your hardware.

*crossg* · 14-04-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetalSlayerX

Activation/Aunthentication checks for:
Product key
PC manufacturer
Windows version
PID/SID
BIOS information
BIOS MD5 Checksum
Language setting and version
Hard drive serial number

Doesn't match, deny download. They probably keep these tidbits of info on their activation system and force check against your hardware.

Yep I even tried the exact same mobo (first one died) same revision, same bios revision and when I booted Windows it said too many hardware changes "You Must reactivate Windows within three days" Then I restarted and lost my three days.

The phone call to Microsoft takes about 20 minutes to reactivate.

dc3 · 14-04-2007

Thank you MetalSlayerX and crossg...for a moment there I was afraid that I had stepped into the twilight zone and no one understood what I was asking.

*ripit* · 15-04-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by crossg

Yep I even tried the exact same mobo (first one died) same revision, same bios revision and when I booted Windows it said too many hardware changes "You Must reactivate Windows within three days" Then I restarted and lost my three days.

The phone call to Microsoft takes about 20 minutes to reactivate.

Mine did the same thing but I wasn't so lucky. It gave me three days, then took them right back after reboot. When I tried to activate, it wouldn't generate an install id. They had me change the product key (they gave me a new one). That didn't work so they basically said, you are hosed, call tech support tomorrow during business hours. The funny thing is, they refused to send me any documentation on the new product key, so my genuine retail copy of windows xp consists of a product key hand written on a piece of paper.

You gotta love microsoft.....

*crossg* · 15-04-2007

It's a major pain in the A$$. They think that I am going to downlaod this to my PC for more frustration. I think not. I own three legal copies of Windows XP Pro, Windows Media Center edition and Vista Home premium also have a free Upgrade to Vista home Premuim on it's way' Got the upgrade for buying the OEM Windows Media Center edition. Anyways I don't know how Legal it is but I will buy Acronis as I heard it's a good piece of software and copy a fresh install to some old HDD's I have kicking around. Hopefully that will avoid any future conversations with Microsoft employees.

dc3 · 16-04-2007

What we were discussing here was what hardware does M$ look at when it checks to see if the OS is authentic, if you use software to ghost the OS from one machine to another and expect to get any updates...good luck.

*crossg* · 16-04-2007

Nope. Same machine but once you have to do a reinstall it usually comes up and says this product has already been activated . Requireing the dreaded phone call phone call. Hopefully it will just save me a call. Ghosting to another machine is not what I had in mind and probably won't work because the hardware is different.

**platinumsword** · 16-04-2007

Get your updates via Autopatcher, then you don't have to deal with M$.

http://www.autopatcher.com/

Use M$ SkipRearm feature that was built into the the OS. To deal with the activation issue.

http://www.windowssecrets.com/comp/070315/#story1

*ripit* · 16-04-2007

I have recently started using acronis images for that too. It saves all the activation and update crap if you need to reinstall.

12-04-2007	#1 (permalink)
dc3 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nth Ca foothills Posts: 176	M$ authentication question <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Can someone please tell me exactly what M$ looks for on line to authenticate your OS.

12-04-2007	#2 (permalink)
TimC Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: UK Posts: 7,498	Re: M$ authentication question I'd say a genuine, non-blacklisted key that matches the version installed. I'm moving this to General Software.

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13-04-2007	#5 (permalink)
dc3 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nth Ca foothills Posts: 176	Re: M$ authentication question I'm talking about the authentication process that you go through when you go to get download from M$.

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13-04-2007	#7 (permalink)
MetalSlayerX CD Freaks Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 214	Re: M$ authentication question Activation/Aunthentication checks for: Product key PC manufacturer Windows version PID/SID BIOS information BIOS MD5 Checksum Language setting and version Hard drive serial number Doesn't match, deny download. They probably keep these tidbits of info on their activation system and force check against your hardware. __________________ We are not mind readers, we can't help you if we don't know exactly what you are trying to do. My PC: Windows Vista Ultimate Retail \| Intel E6600 Retail \| Intel 975XBX2 [Bios 2674] Motherboard Retail \| 4GB OCZ FLexXLC DDR2 PC 6400 Retail 4-4-4-15 Timings \| HIS X1950XTX 512MB (stole this from my bro lol) Retail \| Dell 2007FP 20.1" Monitor 1600x1200 \| Thermaltake 750W PSU \| Lian Li Silver PC-68 USB Case Plextor 716-SA April 2005 2yrs Old \| Plextor Premium April 2005 2yrs Old Drive is laying around somewhere \| LiteOn LH-20A1H December 2006 Good Scanner/Okay Burner \| Samsung SH-S183L February 2006 Good Scanner/Solid Burns \| LG GSA-H42N February 2006 Can't Scan/Solid Burns

14-04-2007	#9 (permalink)
dc3 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nth Ca foothills Posts: 176	Re: M$ authentication question Thank you MetalSlayerX and crossg...for a moment there I was afraid that I had stepped into the twilight zone and no one understood what I was asking.

16-04-2007	#12 (permalink)
dc3 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nth Ca foothills Posts: 176	Re: M$ authentication question What we were discussing here was what hardware does M$ look at when it checks to see if the OS is authentic, if you use software to ghost the OS from one machine to another and expect to get any updates...good luck.

16-04-2007	#13 (permalink)
crossg Retired Moderator & Reviewer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary, Alberta. Canada Posts: 4,653	Re: M$ authentication question Nope. Same machine but once you have to do a reinstall it usually comes up and says this product has already been activated . Requireing the dreaded phone call phone call. Hopefully it will just save me a call. Ghosting to another machine is not what I had in mind and probably won't work because the hardware is different. __________________ My PC Specs. Plextor 760A/716A 1.07/1.10, BenQ DW1655, BCIB, BenQ DW1640 x2, BSLB, Nec 4551A, 1.08. Lite On SHM 165P6S/LH-20A1S, MS0R/9L05. LG GSA H22N/H62N, 1.02/CL01. SH-S203B, SB03. The Forum Rules Click here to join CDFreaks.com.

16-04-2007	#14 (permalink)
platinumsword Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,995	Re: M$ authentication question Get your updates via Autopatcher, then you don't have to deal with M$. http://www.autopatcher.com/ Use M$ SkipRearm feature that was built into the the OS. To deal with the activation issue. http://www.windowssecrets.com/comp/070315/#story1 __________________ Platinumsword's New Build Here Last edited by platinumsword; 16-04-2007 at 06:43.

16-04-2007	#15 (permalink)
ripit CD Freaks Elite Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,534	Re: M$ authentication question I have recently started using acronis images for that too. It saves all the activation and update crap if you need to reinstall.

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