Bandwidth limiter - Club CDFreaks

Fallingwater · 17-10-2005

My RevConnect uploads are slowing down my internet browsing to a crawl.
However, RevConnect doesn't (yet, hopefully) feature an upload limiter. So I need some program that'll limit upload bandwidth, and that ISN'T NetLimiter (most hubs ban you if you use that).
Any suggestions?

*coathi* · 17-10-2005

There is 2 simple solutions

1/ Don’t download or upload and surf the net the same time.
2/ Use a second ISP one for surfing the net and one for downloading or uploading.

Fallingwater · 17-10-2005

I see.
Sooo... about that limiter program...

*Nemesys* · 17-10-2005

NetLimiter will do what you seek.

Fallingwater · 18-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Nemesys

NetLimiter will do what you seek.

Thanks, but... have you even read my first post?

*Nemesys* · 18-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Fallingwater

Thanks, but... have you even read my first post?

Sorry, silly of me.
I must have read right over it.

*ckin2001* · 18-10-2005

http://www.softperfect.com/download/

Fallingwater · 19-10-2005

I found out two things... the first one is that hubs don't ban you if you just limit to 90% upload or so (I'm no leecher), the second one is that the statement on the RevConnect home page (stating that NetLimiter will crash RC) is total bullshit. It's been running all night with netlimiter on with no crashes whatsoever.
So, it seems netlimiter is good after all. I'll still have a look at the other link, though... thanks

Vegeta-inc · 19-10-2005

well if you used any limiter program then you are just leacher

But as for your Q&A revconnect comes with are buffer {that doesnt slow the upload to 1bs} if you tick it. It will slow the upload and let you download faster.

*debro* · 20-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Vegeta-inc

well if you used any limiter program then you are just leacher

Nope.
Any download relies on your upload bandwidth for error correction/TX/RX info to be sent back. If the upload rate is too high, then the download rate suffers, and can sometimes become so slow, people couldn't be bothered.

While leechers tend to minimise the upload (for an unknown reason, since I've only seen 1 ISP which charges extra/counts upload from the monthly limit) for other connections like low-bandwidth ADSL it makes sense.

If people are uploading at full rate, they can't download. If they can't download, they give up on that program. If they give up, that's another person that you won't be able to download anything from.

Think about it. I'm sure the RIAA/MPAA have. I'm sure they release alot of proggies that kick people that limit upload bandwidth. After awhile, enough people adopt it, and it ends up kicking just about everyone. P2P dies.

Nuff said.

*ckin2001* · 20-10-2005

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Originally Posted by debro

While leechers tend to minimise the upload (for an unknown reason)

the way to get sued by the RIAA/MPAA and for them to actually have a case is if they can download the file from you, thus proving you had it to offer in the first place. no upload -> no people downloading from you -> less likelyhood of suit.

//guess

*debro* · 21-10-2005

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Originally Posted by ckin2001

no upload -> no people downloading from you -> less likelyhood of suit.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

No upload -> No P2P -> No Positions for the RIAA internet monkeys or Anti-Pirate Marketters,

Aka: You are indirectly responsible for an increase in the nations unemployment rate ...

That's not something you want on your conscience ...

Share & share alike.
The principle of P2P, aka Filesharing, is ..... sharing.

Now sharing ... is something you learn from Sesame Street .. All those people that watched "Play school" as children, grew up to be selfish buggers.

Fallingwater · 21-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Vegeta-inc

well if you used any limiter program then you are just leacher

Hell no. I've limited my upload to 26 KiB/s (my adsl link's theoretical maximum upload speed is 32). People can still download from me, so I'm definitely not a leecher. A leecher is someone who prevents other people from downloading entirely.
Anyway, the "use small buffer" feature of RevConnect, if that is what you're talking about, is worthless.

*debro* · 22-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Fallingwater

Anyway, the "use small buffer" feature of RevConnect, if that is what you're talking about, is worthless.

Given the description, I'd suggest it causes the program to thrash your HD a little more to save on RAM usage.

Fallingwater · 23-10-2005

Possibly, but it does my downloading no good at all.

*debro* · 23-10-2005

Aye .. and it does alot worse for your HD too

**xtacydima** · 23-10-2005

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Originally Posted by debro

Nope.
If the upload rate is too high, then the download rate suffers, and can sometimes become so slow, people couldn't be bothered.

You've got to be kidding right???
When my upload is too high, I usually get complimented, and you'd be surprised how many IRC folds wrote "WoW gread speeds dude"... etc...

On another note, one reason why people limit upload bandwidth, not to be leecher, but just as an example, my crappy ISP, Optonline, will cap your upload if you do it too much for too long at full throttle. The reason for this I guess, as the reason for any company to hate it, is because upload is what costs them $$$ to provide to the end user.

*debro* · 23-10-2005

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Originally Posted by xtacydima

You've got to be kidding right???

Nope. Dead serious. (For the second time ever).
ADSL was designed for downloading, not uploading. Most comms are TCP, which sends back results from the downloaded data, approximately 1:20 of the download. For P2P, there is alot more control data. Dropouts & connection failures will be common.
On top of that, web surfing will practically be impossible. And if you have other network users on the Internet connection, it's downright rude to be using the full upload bandwidth, as it makes the internet unusable.

Anything above 20KB/s (from 32KB/s) adversely affects the downloads. Anything above 16KB/s will make web-surfing pathetically slow, even though the P2P downloads may be only 1/8 of the rated speed.

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Originally Posted by xtacydima

On another note, one reason why people limit upload bandwidth, not to be leecher, but just as an example, my crappy ISP, Optonline, will cap your upload if you do it too much for too long at full throttle. The reason for this I guess, as the reason for any company to hate it, is because upload is what costs them $$$ to provide to the end user.

Actually not. Your ISP will charge other ISP's for anything they download from their service. The reason they hate people uploading is because they gear their bandwidth allocation asynchronously, aka, most users are downloaders, hence a split, maybe 90:10 download:upload. When many people are uploading using P2P, they cannot predict how much upload bandwidth will be required.
Besides, there are also the legal issues that ISP's don't want to have to deal with.

Fallingwater · 23-10-2005

Apparently, the old 1.30 version of NetLimiter does cause occasional crashes in RevConnect, but the new 2 version doesn't. RC doesn't even recognize its presence.
I've limited RC's upload to 25KiB/s out of 32 and it seems to be working fine. RC downloads are speedy and internet browsing is, if not as fast as when I'm not uploading anything, still perfectly acceptable.

*debro* · 24-10-2005

Have you also tried to share the connection with 4 other people?

**xtacydima** · 24-10-2005

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Originally Posted by debro

Nope. Dead serious. (For the second time ever).
ADSL was designed for downloading, not uploading. Most comms are TCP, which sends back results from the downloaded data, approximately 1:20 of the download. For P2P, there is alot more control data. Dropouts & connection failures will be common.
On top of that, web surfing will practically be impossible. And if you have other network users on the Internet connection, it's downright rude to be using the full upload bandwidth, as it makes the internet unusable.

Anything above 20KB/s (from 32KB/s) adversely affects the downloads. Anything above 16KB/s will make web-surfing pathetically slow, even though the P2P downloads may be only 1/8 of the rated speed.

Actually not. Your ISP will charge other ISP's for anything they download from their service. The reason they hate people uploading is because they gear their bandwidth allocation asynchronously, aka, most users are downloaders, hence a split, maybe 90:10 download:upload. When many people are uploading using P2P, they cannot predict how much upload bandwidth will be required.
Besides, there are also the legal issues that ISP's don't want to have to deal with.

Ohh, I thougth you meant slow for the other guy, not for yourself. Yes then the first statement is correct.

As for the second, it is incorrect in that yes an ISP such as Optonline, can, will, and has in the past capped connection speed.

Maybe some companies burrow by some means upload speed from another, I see no way how unless they have a trust domain set-up in the DC, and why company A will give company B DC trust is beyond me, and this is the first I ever hear of it. I would like to see some written or hard proof of this actually for my personal notes and knowledge, if you got any, then greatly appreciated.

And yes, upload is what will cost them money, and is the primary reason they keep it low. Companies couldnt care less about leechers, until they become costly for the company itself... and as for lawsuits, ehhh, its really all about the dollar bills me thinks.

taltamir · 17-02-2007

the problem with netlimiter 2 is that it provides unstable limiting (greatly fluctuates above and below the limit i set)...
I am looking for another alternative to it... DU Super Controler looks promising (http://www.homeqos.com/) so I will test it later...

1. Use small send buffer is indeed useless...
2. Not limiting the connection on my isp to less then 90% of upload (8mbps down/0.7mbps up) results in page not found errors and Voip failure (and 70KB/s upload is still nice).
3. Limiting your connection to something high isn't leeching.

Quite frankly, I recommend you move to StrongDC (just moved to it recently), RevConnect hasn't been updated in forever, while StrongDC is well maintained and contains the same features. Just don't use the built in limiter (since it reports it to the hubs... doh)

*DiiZzY* · 17-02-2007

..or just get a router that supports QoS.
//Danne

17-10-2005	#1 (permalink)
Fallingwater CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429	Bandwidth limiter <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> My RevConnect uploads are slowing down my internet browsing to a crawl. However, RevConnect doesn't (yet, hopefully) feature an upload limiter. So I need some program that'll limit upload bandwidth, and that ISN'T NetLimiter (most hubs ban you if you use that). Any suggestions?

17-10-2005	#2 (permalink)
coathi CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: København Posts: 1,516	Re: Bandwidth limiter There is 2 simple solutions 1/ Don’t download or upload and surf the net the same time. 2/ Use a second ISP one for surfing the net and one for downloading or uploading.

17-10-2005	#3 (permalink)
Fallingwater CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429	Re: Bandwidth limiter I see. Sooo... about that limiter program...

17-10-2005	#4 (permalink)
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19-10-2005	#8 (permalink)
Fallingwater CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429	Re: Bandwidth limiter I found out two things... the first one is that hubs don't ban you if you just limit to 90% upload or so (I'm no leecher), the second one is that the statement on the RevConnect home page (stating that NetLimiter will crash RC) is total bullshit. It's been running all night with netlimiter on with no crashes whatsoever. So, it seems netlimiter is good after all. I'll still have a look at the other link, though... thanks

19-10-2005	#9 (permalink)
Vegeta-inc CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	Re: Bandwidth limiter well if you used any limiter program then you are just leacher But as for your Q&A revconnect comes with are buffer {that doesnt slow the upload to 1bs} if you tick it. It will slow the upload and let you download faster. __________________ to know you are good you must be evil so there for god is the devil as he is god

23-10-2005	#15 (permalink)
Fallingwater CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429	Re: Bandwidth limiter Possibly, but it does my downloading no good at all.

23-10-2005	#16 (permalink)
debro Blown to smitherines Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: The c@ke mixer Posts: 9,975	Re: Bandwidth limiter Aye .. and it does alot worse for your HD too __________________ CDFreaks - Overwhelmed by Ignorance since 2005! We lost the battle, but we haven't lost the war! Click Here to sign up to the resistance movement! Viva La Resistance! Admitting that you've illegally downloaded movies/songs and need help to process/burn is comparable to robbing a bank, and walking into the bank the next day holding the bags of money to deposit them into your account. Don't be surprised if people laugh at you when you make the headlines.

23-10-2005	#19 (permalink)
Fallingwater CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429	Re: Bandwidth limiter Apparently, the old 1.30 version of NetLimiter does cause occasional crashes in RevConnect, but the new 2 version doesn't. RC doesn't even recognize its presence. I've limited RC's upload to 25KiB/s out of 32 and it seems to be working fine. RC downloads are speedy and internet browsing is, if not as fast as when I'm not uploading anything, still perfectly acceptable.

24-10-2005	#20 (permalink)
debro Blown to smitherines Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: The c@ke mixer Posts: 9,975	Re: Bandwidth limiter Have you also tried to share the connection with 4 other people? __________________ CDFreaks - Overwhelmed by Ignorance since 2005! We lost the battle, but we haven't lost the war! Click Here to sign up to the resistance movement! Viva La Resistance! Admitting that you've illegally downloaded movies/songs and need help to process/burn is comparable to robbing a bank, and walking into the bank the next day holding the bags of money to deposit them into your account. Don't be surprised if people laugh at you when you make the headlines.

17-02-2007	#22 (permalink)
taltamir New on Forum Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8	Re: Bandwidth limiter the problem with netlimiter 2 is that it provides unstable limiting (greatly fluctuates above and below the limit i set)... I am looking for another alternative to it... DU Super Controler looks promising (http://www.homeqos.com/) so I will test it later... 1. Use small send buffer is indeed useless... 2. Not limiting the connection on my isp to less then 90% of upload (8mbps down/0.7mbps up) results in page not found errors and Voip failure (and 70KB/s upload is still nice). 3. Limiting your connection to something high isn't leeching. Quite frankly, I recommend you move to StrongDC (just moved to it recently), RevConnect hasn't been updated in forever, while StrongDC is well maintained and contains the same features. Just don't use the built in limiter (since it reports it to the hubs... doh) __________________ I do not have a superman complex; for I am God, not Superman!

17-02-2007	#23 (permalink)
DiiZzY CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nordic Region, Sweden Posts: 2,916	Re: Bandwidth limiter ..or just get a router that supports QoS. //Danne

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