i thank everybody for there quick replies the settings that i am using are 4x read as i was told that with safedisk2 that it is better to read at a slower speed and i have fes enabled the version of clonecd that i am using is 3.3.4.1 and the write speed is max but the writer still takes about a 5 minutes to get to 1 percent somebody told me once that using clonecd version 3.2.1.1 should do the trick but i cannot find it also in the latest version of clony the writer is in all three lists as of the 15/12/2001 using clonecd version 3.1.x.x models made in korea and china and mine was made in china so someboby must have got the bloody thing to work greatly appreciate anymore ideas thankyou rrawkins thanks everybody

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