Ps2 dvd and cd discs - Club CD Freaks

medal44444 · 18-05-2002

Some ps2 games are on regular cds. I was just wondering if clonecd could copy these games correctly. Even though the ps2 would need to have mod chip to work would the game work in the ps2. I dont have a mod chip in my ps2 so does anybody have any idea if it will work.

**FutureProof** · 19-05-2002

Yes, it does work and I think the protection is the same - LibCrypt. Make sure that your writer can 'force' an uncorrected subcode write (RAW-DAO +96) and check "Don't repair..."

shuss · 19-05-2002

there aren't that many cd based PS2 games though....

medal44444 · 19-05-2002

Mostly early games are on cds but i have bloody roar 3 and halflife and there on cds. Don't know why tho when they could have put them on dvds and have more space.

F_ukregistering · 20-05-2002

Why oh WHY does hardly anyone talk about this??? OF COURSE you people are wanting to copy PS2 games but clone cd still doesn't support reading DVD games. Usually clone cd will just see the whole dvd as one long audio file and it will only see half of the actuall size of the dvd. Right now people are just patching games after they rip the files off of the dvd and of course the protection usually kixks in somewhere eventually. Last year I was reading on the old clone forum that ccd will eventually support copying of dvd. So I wonder why it is taking so long to get that function my only guess as to why is that olli is trying to find a way to keep $ony and hollywood from coming after him for something like that.

ckin2001 · 20-05-2002

most ps2 dvd games arent protected

<added> actually, i cant think of one that is

F_ukregistering · 20-05-2002

Haven't you heard of libcrypt???

**FutureProof** · 20-05-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by F_ukregistering
Haven't you heard of libcrypt???

PSX on DVD aren't protected in the way we are used to.

F_ukregistering · 20-05-2002

English version latest one says that libcrypt protection is on the disc either cdr or dvd it still says libcrypt.

ckin2001 · 20-05-2002

libcrypt is on cds.......

you can back dvd ones up on nero, usually

and no problems will arise

Wiz486 · 22-05-2002

First, you have to have a DVD burner, right? Then, don't you have to have a mod chip? I don't see why in the world sony would just stop using one of the best protections of all times on their ps2 games. Even nowadays you can't copy ps1 games without a mod chip.

ckin2001 · 22-05-2002

mod chips are to recognize the media, not defeat a protection.

**FutureProof** · 22-05-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by F_ukregistering
English version latest one says that libcrypt protection is on the disc either cdr or dvd it still says libcrypt.

I'm no spath, blackcheck or SirDavidGuy, but I doubt this is correct. DVDs are structured differently to Compact Discs (otherwise, they wouldn't be DVDs

)

ckin2001 · 22-05-2002

if he says its the dvd, its 100 % false.

**Truman** · 22-05-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by ckin2001

mod chips are to recognize the media, not defeat a protection.

Mod chips were designed specifically for defeating a protection - it defeats the country code check which also serves as the protection for recogising an orginal PSX game CD.

It is not for recognising the media. There isn't a protection on the PSX to differentiate between a pressed CD and a CDR.

Without the mod chip your PSX game backup would not work because of the protection.

Libcrypt on the other hand is a second separate protection not related to the above.

medal44444 · 22-05-2002

One of you people has or know someone who has a chipped ps2. Just it give ti a try and see what happens. Can clone cd do it and i want to hear an example. Not a "it may be possible", or "i think so, well at least im pretty sure it works, uh maybe not, hell i don't know."

ckin2001 · 22-05-2002

clone will do the regular cd games

Wiz486 · 23-05-2002

Okay I have CloneCD, a new Lite-On burner, a ps1 and a ps2. My firend has a ps2 /w mod chip. I can copy ps1 games perfectly with clonecd but they won't play in my ps1 or ps2 because sony put extra data on the disc in an area where normal writers can't write to. The Libcrypt is on there but those extra data sectors aren't. Now everysingle ps1 game I have copied works PERFECTLY in his modded ps2. I can't copy ps2 games because they are DVDs and I don't have a dvd writer, but I assume they would work also. I also don't have a ps2 games that are on normal cd's.

So kinda sum it all up there are 2 "protections" on Playstation 1 games. Libcrypt and that country sector code or whatever area that no writer can write to nowadays.

**FutureProof** · 23-05-2002

The mod-chip defeats the boot protection - the bootable area on a PSX disc can't be imaged. CloneCD does not purport to be a PSX replicator but a PC game title replicator

Quote:

I have a game console which uses CDs. Can I copy these CDs with CloneCD?

Sure you can copy them! But the question should be - will they work? And the answer is: No. CloneCD does not disable the boot protection found on console CDs. As we already said, CloneCD does not modify the data it reads or writes in any way.

However, if you have modified your game console already to accept backup copies, copies created by CloneCD will work. There is even a nice side effect: Almost any *additional* copy protection (apart from the boot protection) will be copied, too. Backup copies created with CloneCD will therefore work better than copies created by a different program. However, CloneCD was designed to make Safety Backups of PC-CDs, not for game console CDs.

Quoted from here

shuss · 23-05-2002

is it harder to do than the PC replicator?

**FutureProof** · 24-05-2002

Olli thinks so. The PSX disc has a different step-height to CD-Rs, and the laser, which is lousy anyway, has a ;ittle more difficulty with CD-Rs. Read & Write at 8x is the rule of thumb. Fabrice (Blindwrite Suite) will tell you that SAO is better than DAO in most cases where DAO is not required to control or brute-force the disc.

shuss · 24-05-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by FutureProof
Read & Write at 8x is the rule of thumb.

but that still ain't gonna make the backups work without a modchip, is it? it has been a while since i did some PSX cd's so is there something i dont know (psx replicator with blind read/write?)?

Bilto · 27-06-2002

I don't have a PSX, I know next to nothing about them... But I was wondering if perhaps the Sony CD/DVD-ROM Generator with one of the burners mentioned in the readme for this app would be able to create a directly bootable PSX disc?

Here's the readme...

Quote:

[SCEI CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENT]
PlayStation 2 Programmer Tool
CD/DVD-ROM Generator version 1.20

Copyright (C) 2001 Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
All rights reserved.

<< CD/DVD-ROM Generator version 1.20 >>

The CD/DVD-ROM Generator version 1.20 supports the following
CD-R/DVD-R/DVD-ROM drives.

CD-R Writer
SONY CDU920S
SONY CDU924S
SONY CDU948S
PLEXTOR Plex Master

DVD-R Writer
PIONEER DVR-S201

DVD-ROM Drive (for DVD-R verification)
MATSUHITA SR-8583
MATSUHITA SR-8584A
TOSHIBA SD-M1202
TOSHIBA SD-M1212
PIONEER DVD-113
PIONEER DVD-303
SONY DDU220E

<< Installation >>

Activate setup.exe on Windows 98, Windows NT 4.0 SP5 or Windows 2000
and follow the instructions displayed on the screen. For details, please
refer to the Help File.

<< Significant changes in CD/DVD-ROM Generator version 1.20 >>

(1) Writing DISC ID to the software for PlayStation 2 has been supported.
(2) PLEXTOR Plex Master has been supported.

Now, take a look at the main app...

It has an option for selecting the region of your disc. Am I correct in saying that the protection which modchips bypass is both region and copy protection?

The package also has a "Master Disc Checker" and "CD_DVD-ROM Recording Unit Controller". Do I have the program which outputs the much desired boot-block? Or is it just something that looks tasty?

Yeah, I'm expecting this one as too good to be true.

ckin2001 · 28-06-2002

im not sure, someone recently posted where EXACTLY the country code is stored at, and its before the lead-in, which might be a problem for a lot of writers.

Bilto · 28-06-2002

Well, this program won't allow you to even try an unsupported device (I don't have one of the listed devices). So I can't even establish what it's burning engine could produce.

I can save a disc image, but it's a non-standard format; but I suppose that's to be expected if this thing really can produce a PSX bootable CDR.

Someone must have seen this program before?! Better still, someone must have used it? No?

18-05-2002	#1 (permalink)
medal44444 New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25	Ps2 dvd and cd discs <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Some ps2 games are on regular cds. I was just wondering if clonecd could copy these games correctly. Even though the ps2 would need to have mod chip to work would the game work in the ps2. I dont have a mod chip in my ps2 so does anybody have any idea if it will work.

19-05-2002	#2 (permalink)
FutureProof Senior Admin Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: True Blue Posts: 5,606	Yes, it does work and I think the protection is the same - LibCrypt. Make sure that your writer can 'force' an uncorrected subcode write (RAW-DAO +96) and check "Don't repair..." __________________ :ÐowN AsS ± ßû(r)NêR: Try our Search function > Words on Netiquette 24, 32, 40 & 52X Liteons, 16, 40, 48 & 52X ASUS', Ricoh MP7163A, Acer 1610A CD writers; Toshiba SD-M1402, Hitachi GD-7500 & Liteon LTD-163D DVD-ROMs; Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD writer combo; NEC CloneDrive; Matshita DVD RAM/-R/-RW UJ-810 PEBKAC: Click here when asked AXDA3000DKV4D Atlhon 3000+ Model 10 Barton; Twin, Dual-Channeled Corsair CMX512-2700C2 @ 2-3-3-6-T1; GA-7N400 Pro F12; crappy vid card; Twin (base) WD2500JD drives There are two secrets to success: 1) Don't tell everyone everything There are 10 types of people who understand binary: those who do and those who don't Who Are YOU?

20-05-2002	#5 (permalink)
F_ukregistering New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nowhere Posts: 15	See this is the stuff that never gets brought up much... Why oh WHY does hardly anyone talk about this??? OF COURSE you people are wanting to copy PS2 games but clone cd still doesn't support reading DVD games. Usually clone cd will just see the whole dvd as one long audio file and it will only see half of the actuall size of the dvd. Right now people are just patching games after they rip the files off of the dvd and of course the protection usually kixks in somewhere eventually. Last year I was reading on the old clone forum that ccd will eventually support copying of dvd. So I wonder why it is taking so long to get that function my only guess as to why is that olli is trying to find a way to keep $ony and hollywood from coming after him for something like that. __________________ Registering on a free board is rediculous:-(

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F_ukregistering New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nowhere Posts: 15	LOL thats funny... Haven't you heard of libcrypt??? __________________ Registering on a free board is rediculous:-(

20-05-2002	#9 (permalink)
F_ukregistering New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nowhere Posts: 15	according to clonny XXL... English version latest one says that libcrypt protection is on the disc either cdr or dvd it still says libcrypt. __________________ Registering on a free board is rediculous:-(

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19-05-2002	#3 (permalink)
shuss CD Freaks Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,425	there aren't that many cd based PS2 games though....

19-05-2002	#4 (permalink)
medal44444 New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25	Mostly early games are on cds but i have bloody roar 3 and halflife and there on cds. Don't know why tho when they could have put them on dvds and have more space.

20-05-2002	#6 (permalink)
ckin2001 CD Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 3,408	most ps2 dvd games arent protected <added> actually, i cant think of one that is

20-05-2002	#10 (permalink)
ckin2001 CD Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 3,408	libcrypt is on cds....... you can back dvd ones up on nero, usually and no problems will arise

22-05-2002	#11 (permalink)
Wiz486 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 120	First, you have to have a DVD burner, right? Then, don't you have to have a mod chip? I don't see why in the world sony would just stop using one of the best protections of all times on their ps2 games. Even nowadays you can't copy ps1 games without a mod chip. __________________ Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502 LiteOn CDRW LTR-40125S WindowsXP AMD Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2324 Soyo Kt400 Dragon Ultra

22-05-2002	#12 (permalink)
ckin2001 CD Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 3,408	mod chips are to recognize the media, not defeat a protection.

22-05-2002	#14 (permalink)
ckin2001 CD Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 3,408	if he says its the dvd, its 100 % false.

22-05-2002	#16 (permalink)
medal44444 New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25	One of you people has or know someone who has a chipped ps2. Just it give ti a try and see what happens. Can clone cd do it and i want to hear an example. Not a "it may be possible", or "i think so, well at least im pretty sure it works, uh maybe not, hell i don't know."

22-05-2002	#17 (permalink)
ckin2001 CD Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 3,408	clone will do the regular cd games

23-05-2002	#18 (permalink)
Wiz486 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 120	Okay I have CloneCD, a new Lite-On burner, a ps1 and a ps2. My firend has a ps2 /w mod chip. I can copy ps1 games perfectly with clonecd but they won't play in my ps1 or ps2 because sony put extra data on the disc in an area where normal writers can't write to. The Libcrypt is on there but those extra data sectors aren't. Now everysingle ps1 game I have copied works PERFECTLY in his modded ps2. I can't copy ps2 games because they are DVDs and I don't have a dvd writer, but I assume they would work also. I also don't have a ps2 games that are on normal cd's. So kinda sum it all up there are 2 "protections" on Playstation 1 games. Libcrypt and that country sector code or whatever area that no writer can write to nowadays. __________________ Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502 LiteOn CDRW LTR-40125S WindowsXP AMD Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2324 Soyo Kt400 Dragon Ultra

23-05-2002	#20 (permalink)
shuss CD Freaks Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,425	is it harder to do than the PC replicator?

24-05-2002	#21 (permalink)
FutureProof Senior Admin Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: True Blue Posts: 5,606	Olli thinks so. The PSX disc has a different step-height to CD-Rs, and the laser, which is lousy anyway, has a ;ittle more difficulty with CD-Rs. Read & Write at 8x is the rule of thumb. Fabrice (Blindwrite Suite) will tell you that SAO is better than DAO in most cases where DAO is not required to control or brute-force the disc. __________________ :ÐowN AsS ± ßû(r)NêR: Try our Search function > Words on Netiquette 24, 32, 40 & 52X Liteons, 16, 40, 48 & 52X ASUS', Ricoh MP7163A, Acer 1610A CD writers; Toshiba SD-M1402, Hitachi GD-7500 & Liteon LTD-163D DVD-ROMs; Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD writer combo; NEC CloneDrive; Matshita DVD RAM/-R/-RW UJ-810 PEBKAC: Click here when asked AXDA3000DKV4D Atlhon 3000+ Model 10 Barton; Twin, Dual-Channeled Corsair CMX512-2700C2 @ 2-3-3-6-T1; GA-7N400 Pro F12; crappy vid card; Twin (base) WD2500JD drives There are two secrets to success: 1) Don't tell everyone everything There are 10 types of people who understand binary: those who do and those who don't Who Are YOU?

28-06-2002	#24 (permalink)
ckin2001 CD Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 3,408	im not sure, someone recently posted where EXACTLY the country code is stored at, and its before the lead-in, which might be a problem for a lot of writers. __________________ www.livingwithoutmicrosoft.org last 5 cd's Avril Lavigne - Whatever the new one is called Lucky Boys Confusion - Throwing the Game lostprophets - Start Something Story of the Year - Page Avenue Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots Don't let schooling interfere with your education. -Mark Twain

28-06-2002	#25 (permalink)
Bilto CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 99	Well, this program won't allow you to even try an unsupported device (I don't have one of the listed devices). So I can't even establish what it's burning engine could produce. I can save a disc image, but it's a non-standard format; but I suppose that's to be expected if this thing really can produce a PSX bootable CDR. Someone must have seen this program before?! Better still, someone must have used it? No? Last edited by Bilto; 28-06-2002 at 03:31.

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