OLLI: AWS useless for later versions of Clone - Club CDFreaks

dogmeat18 · 11-09-2002

Just wanted to let everyone know.

Dont try and use AWS with SD 2.51.021 or later it will not work.

U'll need a drive with two sheeps by EFM.

*SirDavidGuy* · 11-09-2002

It depends on the drive whether it will help or not.

I'm creating my own patcher, which (once I get the interleaving fixed) should solve it.

2ndsign · 11-09-2002

listen to sir david guy he studies aws is very great depth

sirdavidguy

*Namoh* · 11-09-2002

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I'm creating my own patcher, which (once I get the interleaving fixed) should solve it.

Why not create a Tages patcher, that's something that would be appreciated by everyone. AWS is already in CLoneCD so why do we need another one (if you got a Lite-On, you don't even need one!).

*alexnoe* · 11-09-2002

SDG: Since this is just on topic here:

The Mode2CDMaker source still doesn't give sense. 7D65-sectors are encoded only about 1/2 to regular patterns, the other half if not at all regular and messes up the DSV. Usually 3/4 should be regular...either there're still errors in that source (could you have a look at the delay line shifts?), or there's some crap in my DSV calcs.

I didn't get a DSV > 50 for these, while some other sectors gave 98...this can't be!

Spath said that SD2.51 can give a DSV > 1000, and betablocker doesn't patch something in the first 500 bytes, right? Then of course, if a writer burns crap before the patched region starts (which is of course possible especially for non-sheep-writers, then AWS won't help...

Namoh: A "Tagès patcher" is nonsense. A patcher is not enough. You must find all twin sectors before you can patch anything.

To be continued in Techical forum....

logicwatch · 11-09-2002

can sir david solve the mystery surrounding the inability of clone cd to successfully copy the new securom discs that are around in
plentiful within the last few months ie industry giant 2 / beachlife/
the thing/these are proving to be uncopyable at the moment ?
forget tages only one program has that protection ( motoracer 2)
whereas securom new or 3 or whatever it is ? is appearing on all sorts of new releases and as yet remains completely uncopyable
The intresting fact is that the copy appears to load fine game just hangs when trys to run ! put original disc into drive game runs ok?
suggest some how protection is detecting somehow the original disc ? needs some sort of blocking!!! like hide cdrw media etc?
out of my league its over to you sir david and oli???

*alexnoe* · 11-09-2002

suggest some how protection is detecting somehow the original disc ?

A only have one idea, and this one seems to be unlikely.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....threadid=53371

*SirDavidGuy* · 11-09-2002

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or there's some crap in my DSV calcs.

I don't really think that messing with the DSV will be the most helpful thing, since in the copied weak sectors, it isn't possible to determine what the drive will pick for the merging bits.

*alexnoe* · 11-09-2002

Shouldn't the merging bits be the same in all drives (same sector entry point presumed)? It's clearly defined how they must be chosen...a drive choosing wrong merging bits should be considered defective...
My goal is still to calculate the DSV for each f3-frame (I'd be satisfied if I got one dsv, for one sector entry point...) to find out which subchannel bytes have to be patched.

*SirDavidGuy* · 13-09-2002

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Shouldn't the merging bits be the same in all drives (same sector entry point presumed)? It's clearly defined how they must be chosen...a drive choosing wrong merging bits should be considered defective...

Yes, it should. Check your PM's.

11-09-2002	#1 (permalink)
dogmeat18 New on Forum Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 18	OLLI: AWS useless for later versions of SafeDisk <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Just wanted to let everyone know. Dont try and use AWS with SD 2.51.021 or later it will not work. U'll need a drive with two sheeps by EFM. Last edited by dogmeat18; 11-09-2002 at 02:38.

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2ndsign CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 369	listen to sirdavidguy listen to sir david guy he studies aws is very great depth sirdavidguy

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alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,613	SDG: Since this is just on topic here: The Mode2CDMaker source still doesn't give sense. 7D65-sectors are encoded only about 1/2 to regular patterns, the other half if not at all regular and messes up the DSV. Usually 3/4 should be regular...either there're still errors in that source (could you have a look at the delay line shifts?), or there's some crap in my DSV calcs. I didn't get a DSV > 50 for these, while some other sectors gave 98...this can't be! Spath said that SD2.51 can give a DSV > 1000, and betablocker doesn't patch something in the first 500 bytes, right? Then of course, if a writer burns crap before the patched region starts (which is of course possible especially for non-sheep-writers, then AWS won't help... Namoh: A "Tagès patcher" is nonsense. A patcher is not enough. You must find all twin sectors before you can patch anything. To be continued in Techical forum.... __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright) Last edited by alexnoe; 11-09-2002 at 11:28.

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alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,613	suggest some how protection is detecting somehow the original disc ? A only have one idea, and this one seems to be unlikely. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....threadid=53371 __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)

11-09-2002	#9 (permalink)
alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,613	Shouldn't the merging bits be the same in all drives (same sector entry point presumed)? It's clearly defined how they must be chosen...a drive choosing wrong merging bits should be considered defective... My goal is still to calculate the DSV for each f3-frame (I'd be satisfied if I got one dsv, for one sector entry point...) to find out which subchannel bytes have to be patched. __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)

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SirDavidGuy CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,467	It depends on the drive whether it will help or not. I'm creating my own patcher, which (once I get the interleaving fixed) should solve it.

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logicwatch Retired Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK Posts: 316	can sir david solve the mystery surrounding the inability of clone cd to successfully copy the new securom discs that are around in plentiful within the last few months ie industry giant 2 / beachlife/ the thing/these are proving to be uncopyable at the moment ? forget tages only one program has that protection ( motoracer 2) whereas securom new or 3 or whatever it is ? is appearing on all sorts of new releases and as yet remains completely uncopyable The intresting fact is that the copy appears to load fine game just hangs when trys to run ! put original disc into drive game runs ok? suggest some how protection is detecting somehow the original disc ? needs some sort of blocking!!! like hide cdrw media etc? out of my league its over to you sir david and oli???

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