celinde dion audio cd problem - Club CDFreaks

kenta · 08-04-2002

Hey
I have a big problem whit celinde dion new cd this cd will not start in my cdrom so I can use clone cd to make a copy of this cd is there anyone some can tell me how i can fix this problem.

Thanks kenta

*roadworker* · 08-04-2002

You can't.....:
LiteOn LTR 24/10/2b: spits it out
LiteOn LTD 163: stops running
Sony CRX175A2: burner light stays on and CloneCd freezes
Ricoh MP7200A can SOMETIMES rip it with CloneCd AFTER the flashing of the burner's led stops,but that can take a while.....if I try when the light is still flashing,CloneCd freezes...

As you see,it's all drive dependent,not CloneCd dependent...

kenta · 09-04-2002

ok and thanks for the info

kenta

Wiz486 · 09-04-2002

What the hell makes it do all that to those drives? Some kind of protection? You said it makes the LiteOn 16 stop working: all together? That's some funky CD.

*roadworker* · 09-04-2002

The protection is Sony's latest Key2Audio......Illegal Toc,giving wrong info to your drives causes the weird reactions of them....

**FutureProof** · 09-04-2002

This process will get around the problems with some drives.

Disable Auto-Insert-Notification, and any audio programs that can recognise a CD, even when it's just sitting there, & reboot

During the POST, insert the CD.

From the desktop open DiscJuggler for an audio rip and see what happens. Feurio! & EAC work to lesser success.

Another option is to do the same thing but use Nero. Use the 'Save As.." {to .wav} function off the Recorder Menu and go from there.

*roadworker* · 09-04-2002

The drives I've posted don't work with DJ or EAC either,I have them already tested with these .....
Gonna try Feurio...

*Upp3rd0G* · 09-04-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by FutureProof
During the POST, insert the CD.

Are you sure this is the best way??? I would say: wait with inserting the cd untill you have started the program you want to use to rip the protected cd, let that program lock the drive, and then rip it... The way you describe it, Windows can mess things up... I think.

BTW Can anybody confirm if this version of Key2audio is different from earlier versions?

jimsburnerbin · 09-04-2002

I have the new Celine Dion cd 'A New Day Has Come".
Using Clone 4 I was able to make working copies that will play on anything. ClonyXXL shows NO copy protection. I've made copies using a Sony CRX175A1, a Sony CRX175E2, and a HP9900iDVD/CDRW.
I am sure there is no protection on the disc. I live in Portland,Or, USA. Perhaps there is protection on European releases.
Anyway, I copied them with the Read Audio Sub-Channel on because the disc does have CD-Text. The CD-Text shows the song title if your CD player can show it.
All of these copies work great, plus there's no problem ripping the separate tracks to create MP3's.

Jim

robertzimmer · 09-04-2002

is it similar to the problem i had with the " ozark henry " cd called " birthmarks " ????, it has the key2audio protection ,

in no way it was possible to play or recognise the cd in windows xp , win2000 , windows98 or millennium ,

i restarted windows with the cd left in the cdrom drive and the cd was recognised after the restart and i could make a copy of it with clone cd and even with nero 5.5.7.8,

so , if this don ' t helps , try what futureproof suggested in his reply on 09/04/2002

bye

robertzimmer · 09-04-2002

i just read in a belgian television magazine that the new celine dion cd has a " totally new " protection ,

???? wait and see , and , to be honest , listen to such a voice is a copy protection on its own ?

*roadworker* · 09-04-2002

"i just read in a belgian television magazine that the new celine dion cd has a " totally new " protection"

I live in Belgium......the U.S.A. version has no protection on it.....

data · 09-04-2002

i tried to backup celine dion with

toshiba 1402 would not read the disk
iomega 8432 same
liteon 241040 spit the disk out
then tried my plextor 8432t clone analysed the disk and away it went backup worked in both my cd players but not in my computers like it should these are the settings i used they are from another web site

Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks
Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks
Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner
Max Read @ 4x speed
CD-Writer Settings:

Perform Laser Power Calibration
Always close last Session
Don't Repair Subchannel Data
Max Write @ 6x speed

*roadworker* · 10-04-2002

Update:

After a few rippings of the cd with my Ricoh MP7200A and Clone Cd 4.0.0.9 béta,the ripping possabillity decreased,until finally I can't copy it anymore!!!!

Could this article, mentioning about altering firmware be true?It seems so...

"Epic/Sony released "A New Day Has Come" embedded with Key2Audio copy protection in Germany and several other European countries.

Should the consumer try to play Dion's CD on a PC or Macintosh, the computer likely will crash.

Some fans believe that the CD is more damaging than that, however. On the German discussion boards at MacFixit, Mac users claim that the CD will not eject using normal methods and that the intentional corruption of the disc's session data could unpredictably affect the drive's firmware."

*Upp3rd0G* · 10-04-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by roadworker
Update:

After a few rippings of the cd with my Ricoh MP7200A and Clone Cd 4.0.0.9 béta,the ripping possabillity decreased,until finally I can't copy it anymore!!!!

Yeah right!

Don't believe this!

*roadworker* · 10-04-2002

You don't have to believe me,but what reason should I have to lie?
CloneCd was the only prog I have that could copy that cd with that burner....Gotta dig up my Ultraplex again...

Filter · 09-05-2002

i was able to copy this cd easily with my ultraplex and 8/20 plextor. made 2 copies and they both work in my home and car stereo

08-04-2002	#1 (permalink)
kenta New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25	celinde dion audio cd problem <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Hey I have a big problem whit celinde dion new cd this cd will not start in my cdrom so I can use clone cd to make a copy of this cd is there anyone some can tell me how i can fix this problem. Thanks kenta

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Wiz486 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 120	What the hell makes it do all that to those drives? Some kind of protection? You said it makes the LiteOn 16 stop working: all together? That's some funky CD. __________________ Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502 LiteOn CDRW LTR-40125S WindowsXP AMD Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2324 Soyo Kt400 Dragon Ultra

09-04-2002	#6 (permalink)
FutureProof Senior Admin Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: True Blue Posts: 5,606	This process will get around the problems with some drives. Disable Auto-Insert-Notification, and any audio programs that can recognise a CD, even when it's just sitting there, & reboot During the POST, insert the CD. From the desktop open DiscJuggler for an audio rip and see what happens. Feurio! & EAC work to lesser success. Another option is to do the same thing but use Nero. Use the 'Save As.." {to .wav} function off the Recorder Menu and go from there. __________________ :ÐowN AsS ± ßû(r)NêR: Try our Search function > Words on Netiquette 24, 32, 40 & 52X Liteons, 16, 40, 48 & 52X ASUS', Ricoh MP7163A, Acer 1610A CD writers; Toshiba SD-M1402, Hitachi GD-7500 & Liteon LTD-163D DVD-ROMs; Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD writer combo; NEC CloneDrive; Matshita DVD RAM/-R/-RW UJ-810 PEBKAC: Click here when asked AXDA3000DKV4D Atlhon 3000+ Model 10 Barton; Twin, Dual-Channeled Corsair CMX512-2700C2 @ 2-3-3-6-T1; GA-7N400 Pro F12; crappy vid card; Twin (base) WD2500JD drives There are two secrets to success: 1) Don't tell everyone everything There are 10 types of people who understand binary: those who do and those who don't Who Are YOU?

09-04-2002	#9 (permalink)
jimsburnerbin CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 38	NO Protection on my C.Dion CD I have the new Celine Dion cd 'A New Day Has Come". Using Clone 4 I was able to make working copies that will play on anything. ClonyXXL shows NO copy protection. I've made copies using a Sony CRX175A1, a Sony CRX175E2, and a HP9900iDVD/CDRW. I am sure there is no protection on the disc. I live in Portland,Or, USA. Perhaps there is protection on European releases. Anyway, I copied them with the Read Audio Sub-Channel on because the disc does have CD-Text. The CD-Text shows the song title if your CD player can show it. All of these copies work great, plus there's no problem ripping the separate tracks to create MP3's. Jim Last edited by jimsburnerbin; 10-04-2002 at 04:43.

09-04-2002	#10 (permalink)
robertzimmer CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 93	ozark henry is it similar to the problem i had with the " ozark henry " cd called " birthmarks " ????, it has the key2audio protection , in no way it was possible to play or recognise the cd in windows xp , win2000 , windows98 or millennium , i restarted windows with the cd left in the cdrom drive and the cd was recognised after the restart and i could make a copy of it with clone cd and even with nero 5.5.7.8, so , if this don ' t helps , try what futureproof suggested in his reply on 09/04/2002 bye

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08-04-2002	#2 (permalink)
roadworker CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 644	You can't.....: LiteOn LTR 24/10/2b: spits it out LiteOn LTD 163: stops running Sony CRX175A2: burner light stays on and CloneCd freezes Ricoh MP7200A can SOMETIMES rip it with CloneCd AFTER the flashing of the burner's led stops,but that can take a while.....if I try when the light is still flashing,CloneCd freezes... As you see,it's all drive dependent,not CloneCd dependent...

09-04-2002	#3 (permalink)
kenta New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25	ok and thanks for the info kenta

09-04-2002	#5 (permalink)
roadworker CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 644	The protection is Sony's latest Key2Audio......Illegal Toc,giving wrong info to your drives causes the weird reactions of them....

09-04-2002	#7 (permalink)
roadworker CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 644	The drives I've posted don't work with DJ or EAC either,I have them already tested with these ..... Gonna try Feurio...

09-04-2002	#11 (permalink)
robertzimmer CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 93	totally new i just read in a belgian television magazine that the new celine dion cd has a " totally new " protection , ???? wait and see , and , to be honest , listen to such a voice is a copy protection on its own ?

09-04-2002	#12 (permalink)
roadworker CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 644	"i just read in a belgian television magazine that the new celine dion cd has a " totally new " protection" I live in Belgium......the U.S.A. version has no protection on it.....

09-04-2002	#13 (permalink)
data New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1	i tried to backup celine dion with toshiba 1402 would not read the disk iomega 8432 same liteon 241040 spit the disk out then tried my plextor 8432t clone analysed the disk and away it went backup worked in both my cd players but not in my computers like it should these are the settings i used they are from another web site Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner Max Read @ 4x speed CD-Writer Settings: Perform Laser Power Calibration Always close last Session Don't Repair Subchannel Data Max Write @ 6x speed

10-04-2002	#14 (permalink)
roadworker CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 644	Update: After a few rippings of the cd with my Ricoh MP7200A and Clone Cd 4.0.0.9 béta,the ripping possabillity decreased,until finally I can't copy it anymore!!!! Could this article, mentioning about altering firmware be true?It seems so... "Epic/Sony released "A New Day Has Come" embedded with Key2Audio copy protection in Germany and several other European countries. Should the consumer try to play Dion's CD on a PC or Macintosh, the computer likely will crash. Some fans believe that the CD is more damaging than that, however. On the German discussion boards at MacFixit, Mac users claim that the CD will not eject using normal methods and that the intentional corruption of the disc's session data could unpredictably affect the drive's firmware."

10-04-2002	#16 (permalink)
roadworker CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 644	You don't have to believe me,but what reason should I have to lie? CloneCd was the only prog I have that could copy that cd with that burner....Gotta dig up my Ultraplex again...

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09-05-2002	#17 (permalink)
Filter New on Forum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 26	i was able to copy this cd easily with my ultraplex and 8/20 plextor. made 2 copies and they both work in my home and car stereo