BetaBlocker and Max Payne - Club CD Freaks

Torpan · 20-08-2001

Hi everybody!
I assume some of you have read my previous post about BetaBlocker and how I tried to create a working copy of The Settlers 4 and it didn't work. So, I decided to try my luck with a famous Max Payne, because many people had luck with burning it. I landed an original copy from my friend just to check if it works.
This time I used 2x speed to read the image, and 2x to write the image. It took me a really long time. And I also used a Sony CD-R 700MB / 80 min, because Max Payne is overburned (is it true)?
To read the copy I used my old Kenwood 52x CDROM. Kenwood very quickly started to read the disk. I clicked install and started to wait. Everything was fine until 67% of the installation. Then suddenly the strange message appeared: Unable to find data3.cab enter the disk0 and try again.
The funniest part is that there is no data3.cab even on the original CD. And there is no disk0 (there is a directory on the CD called Disk1). I entered the original CD and installed the game without any problems. Then I removed the original CD and entered the burned one, and I was able to run and play the game. But I still can't understand what the freaking message I get when I try to install the game from the burned CD. Any ideas?

defiz · 20-08-2001

I have exactly same problem with Colin McRae rally2... same disc0 and cab...

About Max Payne... You need reader in clonecd that can read subchannel data you maybe know that...

and use then betablocker to modify image file and burn it back with clonecd...

I copied MAx Payne using that solution and worked fine, But I can't make another copy of that copy!

Torpan · 24-08-2001

Hi guys!
I finaly was able to make a working copy of the Max Payne. The problem with the first one was that I read the image to slow 2x (now I used 4x plus 3 times to retry). And used max to read. Now it works.

Digital Mayhem · 24-08-2001

now how can you read an image TOO slow?
explain me that please

inssane · 24-08-2001

plextor, and cdrwin rules .. ;-)
i made a raw iso (with plexcdrw) and burned it then

worx perfect

btw finished the game in 3 evenings

Jules Pitt · 25-08-2001

Hi
I've backed up Max Payne 4 times ! (go figure), and had four different experiences. I've used clonecd v.3.0.2.3 on an updated Lite on 8x4x32:
1: Clonecd reported write error at the end of the write session: Disc may be unreadable. The disc worked perfectly. It colud be used to install and play.

2: Clonecd reported a different write error at the end of the session: Disc may be unreadable. The disc could be used to install the game, but upon startup the cd could not be read (error in some .temp-file). I aplied a no-cd patch from gamecopyworld.com, and everything worked perfectly.

3: Clonecd reported the same write error as in 1 above, but I experienced the same problems as mentioned in 2.

4: Clonecd reported no write errors, but I experienced the same problem as mentioned in 2 and 3.

4 burns with 4 different outcomes!!! Strange!

But to all you people with unreadable discs but have the game istalled: Try the no-cd patch :-)

Regards Jules Pitt
- Sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know ,cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf*****r!

**G@M3FR3@K** · 25-08-2001

@Jules Pitt

Did you used the same disc to creat the image with? I read somewhere that when you create an image of a (working) back-up it doesn't work as well as the first back-up

Don't know why though... Maybe it has something to do with the intensity decrease of the weak SafeDisc 2 error sectors when you create a back-up of a back-up...

Jules Pitt · 26-08-2001

Hi
All four back-ups were made from the original cd-rom! I did not use copies to burn other copies. Strange, huh?

Regards
Jules Pitt

- This was a f****ing miracle and I wan't you to acknowledge that!

b-lizard · 08-09-2001

I made an image of Max Payne using the latest version of clone cd with my plex 12/10/32a. used betablocker on the image. burned perfectly.

Jules Pitt · 09-09-2001

I've heard a lot of talk about Beta blocker, and I have downloaded it, but I don't know what the program does. I'm sure there has been a zillion questions about this issue before, but can anyone direct me to a comprehensive source, where I can read about the program?

Regards Jules Pitt
***
If Samuel L. Jackson's character ( Mace Windu) were related to Jules Pitt from Pulp Fiction, he might have said:
- "You must go to Dagobah, where you will be taught by Yoda, the sly, sweet motherf****r who taught me this shit."

**G@M3FR3@K** · 09-09-2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Jules Pitt
I've heard a lot of talk about Beta blocker, and I have downloaded it, but I don't know what the program does. I'm sure there has been a zillion questions about this issue before, but can anyone direct me to a comprehensive source, where I can read about the program?

Check this article on SafeDisc 2. It also explains (in short) what BetaBlocker does.

Jules Pitt · 10-09-2001

Thanks a lot! The article was very instructive.

Regards Jules Pitt
***
If Samuel L. Jackson's character in The Phantom Menace (Mace Windu) were related to Jules Pitt from Pulp Fiction, he might have said:
- "I don't care how good you say they are. I ain't fightin' alongside no f**k-a*s teddy bears."

Motter · 13-09-2001

Shall fasy error skib also turned on

Jules Pitt · 13-09-2001

Hi
I turnes on fast error skip

Regards
Jules Pitt
***
"Ha-ha! They're your clothes, motherf*****r"

Motter · 13-09-2001

Ok Jules

But I can't get it to work with the copy of Max Payne.

I had installed max payne it with the orginal cd and when I use the copy of max payne the logo just freeze

Jules Pitt · 13-09-2001

Hi Motter
I posted the same problem among others earlier. Download a no-cd patch from www.gamecopyworld.com. That should fix the problem.
The way I see it the cd works when you have copied it, but the program doesn't recognize it (or something). So you can install the game, aply the no-cd patch and be happy :-)

Regards
Jules Pitt
***
"Oh I'm sorry! Did I break your concentration?"

Motter · 13-09-2001

No no I would like to have it to work vith out af no cd crack

Jules Pitt · 13-09-2001

Then either try a number of times (I had 1 working out of 4) or try the Betablocker)

Regards
Jules Pitt
***
"I dare you, I double dare you Motherf*****r, say 'what' one more goddamn time"

Motter · 13-09-2001

First I read an image with Clonecd 3.0.8.2 with fast error skib and sub channel data then I use BetaBlocker and then I burn it back with Clonecd

Jules Pitt · 13-09-2001

According to elaborate bytes underground homepage, you should turn overburn on, and disable all other options in cloncd

Regards Jules Pitt

snowie · 13-09-2001

I've made more than 20 copy's of max payne and not one didn't work.

This is how I did it:
First I made an image with clonecd with only fast error skip on and at a reading speed of 4x with one of my plextor's 12/10/32s.

burning the image I used my Acer 1208 at 4x speed.

I never had a problem with it, offcourse I saved my image the first time so now I only have to burn the image if I want one.

Motter · 14-09-2001

snowie didn't you use betablocker or something like betablocker

snowie · 14-09-2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Motter
snowie didn't you use betablocker or something like betablocker

No, only my plextor 12/10/32s to read and my Acer 1208 to write (all at 4x speed) with clonecd

that's it, nothing more, it workes perfect for me

Motter · 14-09-2001

Yes yes yes it works now.

I just burned max payne the way snowie said and when i will play I just open the shotcut without the cd i my cd-rom and when it asks for the cd i put the cd in my cd-rom and it works but I think it only works witk minimum ins

jOdsTer · 15-09-2001

Hi guys.
I just wanted to say, i have tried max payne backup about 10 times now made 3 coasters before getting smart and buying some rewritable disks

I've tried all the methods mentioned above, with and without betablocker
My plex 12/10/32a should be able to do it, at least with betablocker, but nope. mostly it installs to 76% before it asks me for disk 0.
I have gotten it to make one disk that will install, but only on my pc, i made that one with the fast error skip settings at 3 times with hardware error skip, this takes almost an hour to read with the hardware setting but seems to be the closest ive come to success. even then it didn't recognise the disk when i tried to play.
How have you guys got the fast error skip settings? how many retries? hardware or software? I even tried doing everything at 4x read and write.
I seem to be able to copy safedisk1 np, with nothing but clonecd
please help if you have any suggestions

20-08-2001	#1 (permalink)
Torpan New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 20	BetaBlocker and Max Payne <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Hi everybody! I assume some of you have read my previous post about BetaBlocker and how I tried to create a working copy of The Settlers 4 and it didn't work. So, I decided to try my luck with a famous Max Payne, because many people had luck with burning it. I landed an original copy from my friend just to check if it works. This time I used 2x speed to read the image, and 2x to write the image. It took me a really long time. And I also used a Sony CD-R 700MB / 80 min, because Max Payne is overburned (is it true)? To read the copy I used my old Kenwood 52x CDROM. Kenwood very quickly started to read the disk. I clicked install and started to wait. Everything was fine until 67% of the installation. Then suddenly the strange message appeared: Unable to find data3.cab enter the disk0 and try again. The funniest part is that there is no data3.cab even on the original CD. And there is no disk0 (there is a directory on the CD called Disk1). I entered the original CD and installed the game without any problems. Then I removed the original CD and entered the burned one, and I was able to run and play the game. But I still can't understand what the freaking message I get when I try to install the game from the burned CD. Any ideas?

20-08-2001	#2 (permalink)
defiz Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the dark corner... Posts: 89	Hi! I have exactly same problem with Colin McRae rally2... same disc0 and cab... About Max Payne... You need reader in clonecd that can read subchannel data you maybe know that... and use then betablocker to modify image file and burn it back with clonecd... I copied MAx Payne using that solution and worked fine, But I can't make another copy of that copy!

24-08-2001	#4 (permalink)
Digital Mayhem CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: *GaMeLanD* Posts: 175	now how can you read an image TOO slow? explain me that please __________________ It's Nice To Be Important, But It's More Important To Be Nice...

24-08-2001	#5 (permalink)
inssane CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 99	well,... plextor, and cdrwin rules .. ;-) i made a raw iso (with plexcdrw) and burned it then worx perfect btw finished the game in 3 evenings __________________ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I'm on fire

25-08-2001	#6 (permalink)
Jules Pitt New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Inglewood Posts: 10	Max Payne back up Hi I've backed up Max Payne 4 times ! (go figure), and had four different experiences. I've used clonecd v.3.0.2.3 on an updated Lite on 8x4x32: 1: Clonecd reported write error at the end of the write session: Disc may be unreadable. The disc worked perfectly. It colud be used to install and play. 2: Clonecd reported a different write error at the end of the session: Disc may be unreadable. The disc could be used to install the game, but upon startup the cd could not be read (error in some .temp-file). I aplied a no-cd patch from gamecopyworld.com, and everything worked perfectly. 3: Clonecd reported the same write error as in 1 above, but I experienced the same problems as mentioned in 2. 4: Clonecd reported no write errors, but I experienced the same problem as mentioned in 2 and 3. 4 burns with 4 different outcomes!!! Strange! But to all you people with unreadable discs but have the game istalled: Try the no-cd patch :-) Regards Jules Pitt - Sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know ,cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf*****r!

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24-08-2001	#3 (permalink)
Torpan New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 20	Hi guys! I finaly was able to make a working copy of the Max Payne. The problem with the first one was that I read the image to slow 2x (now I used 4x plus 3 times to retry). And used max to read. Now it works.

25-08-2001	#7 (permalink)
G@M3FR3@K Senior Moderator Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Utrèg, The Netherlands Posts: 8,777	@Jules Pitt Did you used the same disc to creat the image with? I read somewhere that when you create an image of a (working) back-up it doesn't work as well as the first back-up Don't know why though... Maybe it has something to do with the intensity decrease of the weak SafeDisc 2 error sectors when you create a back-up of a back-up... __________________ CDFreaks.com - Independent CD and DVD recording news around the clock! I do not provide support via PM or e-mail, use our Forum instead. Need some help? Please use our search function first. When asking for help, please detail your problem! Become a member of this forum, it's free! Register here!

26-08-2001	#8 (permalink)
Jules Pitt New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Inglewood Posts: 10	Max Payne back up Hi All four back-ups were made from the original cd-rom! I did not use copies to burn other copies. Strange, huh? Regards Jules Pitt - This was a f****ing miracle and I wan't you to acknowledge that!

08-09-2001	#9 (permalink)
b-lizard New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: in my pants Posts: 10	I made an image of Max Payne using the latest version of clone cd with my plex 12/10/32a. used betablocker on the image. burned perfectly.

09-09-2001	#10 (permalink)
Jules Pitt New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Inglewood Posts: 10	(Max Payne) and Beta Blocker I've heard a lot of talk about Beta blocker, and I have downloaded it, but I don't know what the program does. I'm sure there has been a zillion questions about this issue before, but can anyone direct me to a comprehensive source, where I can read about the program? Regards Jules Pitt * If Samuel L. Jackson's character ( Mace Windu) were related to Jules Pitt from Pulp Fiction, he might have said: - "You must go to Dagobah, where you will be taught by Yoda, the sly, sweet motherf**r who taught me this shit."

10-09-2001	#12 (permalink)
Jules Pitt New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Inglewood Posts: 10	Max Payne and Betablocker Thanks a lot! The article was very instructive. Regards Jules Pitt * If Samuel L. Jackson's character in The Phantom Menace (Mace Windu) were related to Jules Pitt from Pulp Fiction, he might have said: - "I don't care how good you say they are. I ain't fightin' alongside no fk-a*s teddy bears."

13-09-2001	#13 (permalink)
Motter New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13	Shall fasy error skib also turned on

13-09-2001	#14 (permalink)
Jules Pitt New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Inglewood Posts: 10	Max Payne back up Hi I turnes on fast error skip Regards Jules Pitt * "Ha-ha! They're your clothes, motherf***r"

13-09-2001	#15 (permalink)
Motter New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13	Ok Jules But I can't get it to work with the copy of Max Payne. I had installed max payne it with the orginal cd and when I use the copy of max payne the logo just freeze

13-09-2001	#16 (permalink)
Jules Pitt New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Inglewood Posts: 10	Hi Motter I posted the same problem among others earlier. Download a no-cd patch from www.gamecopyworld.com. That should fix the problem. The way I see it the cd works when you have copied it, but the program doesn't recognize it (or something). So you can install the game, aply the no-cd patch and be happy :-) Regards Jules Pitt *** "Oh I'm sorry! Did I break your concentration?"

13-09-2001	#17 (permalink)
Motter New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13	No no I would like to have it to work vith out af no cd crack

13-09-2001	#18 (permalink)
Jules Pitt New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Inglewood Posts: 10	Then either try a number of times (I had 1 working out of 4) or try the Betablocker) Regards Jules Pitt * "I dare you, I double dare you Motherf***r, say 'what' one more goddamn time"

13-09-2001	#19 (permalink)
Motter New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13	First I read an image with Clonecd 3.0.8.2 with fast error skib and sub channel data then I use BetaBlocker and then I burn it back with Clonecd

13-09-2001	#20 (permalink)
Jules Pitt New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Inglewood Posts: 10	According to elaborate bytes underground homepage, you should turn overburn on, and disable all other options in cloncd Regards Jules Pitt

13-09-2001	#21 (permalink)
snowie CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Belgium Posts: 676	I've made more than 20 copy's of max payne and not one didn't work. This is how I did it: First I made an image with clonecd with only fast error skip on and at a reading speed of 4x with one of my plextor's 12/10/32s. burning the image I used my Acer 1208 at 4x speed. I never had a problem with it, offcourse I saved my image the first time so now I only have to burn the image if I want one.

14-09-2001	#22 (permalink)
Motter New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13	snowie didn't you use betablocker or something like betablocker

14-09-2001	#24 (permalink)
Motter New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13	Yes yes yes it works now. I just burned max payne the way snowie said and when i will play I just open the shotcut without the cd i my cd-rom and when it asks for the cd i put the cd in my cd-rom and it works but I think it only works witk minimum ins

15-09-2001	#25 (permalink)
jOdsTer New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 15	Hi guys. I just wanted to say, i have tried max payne backup about 10 times now made 3 coasters before getting smart and buying some rewritable disks I've tried all the methods mentioned above, with and without betablocker My plex 12/10/32a should be able to do it, at least with betablocker, but nope. mostly it installs to 76% before it asks me for disk 0. I have gotten it to make one disk that will install, but only on my pc, i made that one with the fast error skip settings at 3 times with hardware error skip, this takes almost an hour to read with the hardware setting but seems to be the closest ive come to success. even then it didn't recognise the disk when i tried to play. How have you guys got the fast error skip settings? how many retries? hardware or software? I even tried doing everything at 4x read and write. I seem to be able to copy safedisk1 np, with nothing but clonecd please help if you have any suggestions

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