My Liteon Ltr 24102B wont make backup copies of SD 2.9x. Philamber says I love my litey and would prefer to stick to that brand. Has anyone had any success with the new 52x Liteon?

My understanding is that the 52x Litey doesn't have any particular problems making working copies of sd 2.9 protected cds with alcohol.

The Ltr-24102b (with 5s5a firmware) fails because of a firmware bug (according the alcohol team). I'm uncertain whether the same bug affects older firmware versions.

[The Asus CRW 5224A has no particular problems with sd 2.9 either.]

I have firmware version 5s5a, and apparently you can't roll back anymore. I have no way of testing older firmware. It was time to get a new burner anyway. I'm going to take your "recommendation" and get the Asus 5224a.
(I just ordered the Asus 5224a for $53.05 U.S. after taxes w/ free shipping. Much Cheaper than I expected.)

Do you know if a litey 52x can copy sd2.9 with clonecd 4202?

Pot luck (some can, some can't), as with sd 2.8. Can do both sd 2.8 and sd 2.9 with alcohol though.

@ gregski24

You can flash back to older firmware with mtkflash.

I read on a few other forums here that DiscJuggler correctly copies the pre-gap. Is this true for Disc Juggler version 4.10.1063-PRO2?

If so, wouldn't that be a superior software package against safedisk 2.8 and 2.9. If anyone has knowledge of this please let me know. Or a step by step guide on how to do it. I am tempted to try.

If DJ can copy the pregap correctly, why can't clonecd?
Maybe in the next version, which is hopefully sometime soon.

Yes, so long as the reader used is capable of reading it correctly (most Lite-on devices can't) and a 2 sheep writer (with some exceptions for sd 2.9) is used to write the image.

I suspect my toshiba drive listed in my setup should not have a problem with it.

But can anybody post instructions?

I have posted this info before but I need to add it to the FAQ, methinks!

DJ - depends on the reader; if the device can read the pre-gap then it will make a working backup; if it can't it won't - fullstop - because it will not write emulation. Toshi and ASUS are OK. Some Lite-on, (hit or miss), can but most can't. DJ can read the pre-gap but it's up to the reader to comply.

CCD - can read the pre-gap but if the reader can't, it will emulate the pre-gap and produce a working backup either way.

DJ assures you of an emulation-free pre-gap.
CCD assures you of a working backup either way.

Correct settings are posted in the first post of this thread.

Just scroll down, quite a long way down actually , to where the dj settings for recent safedisc protected games are indicated.

OK, I used MtkFlash to drop back to the next older firmware on my LTR-24102B, and still no joy using Diskdump w/Nero and Fireburner, and CCD with the Safedisc No AWS profile. I made a total of six images, four with the burner (two with each firmware) and two with my Liteon LTD 163d DVD player (one with DD and one with CCD). So I'm guessing I've got the "miss" in the hit or miss scenario. But . . .
Are you saying that this same setup will burn SD 2.9 with DJ? Or is that a waste of time for me too? Futureproof is implying that I should have made a working backup with CCD, but I'm here to tell you that I didn't.
I'm just curious now because my Asus 5224a is suppose to arrive today with my long awaited joy.

It would appear that anything Lite-On 24x and below is not working with the very latest SD2.9x

My Asus 5224A arrived yesterday and I still am not able to make a working back up of The Sims Superstar using Clone Cd. I used both SD profiles. No luck. I even tried making a cue sheet and burning it with the bundled Nero. What settings do you use to backup SD 2.9 w/ Clone Cd?
On a brighter note, I updated CD Mate to the latest version and created a back up that works (in the Liteon DVD and Liteon 52x Cd Rom). I also gave Disc Juggler a spin (First time. A little confusing but kind of nifty.) It also created a working back up.
I thought the Asus burner & CCD combo worked. Either I'm doing something wrong or I jumped to the wrong conclusion in assuming it was a working combo. Which is it?

Please tell me how you did it in Disc Juggler. I found it confusing. I couldn't even backup a safedisc 2.7 game. So I know it was something I did wrong. Cause my Litey should be able to do it.

Well . . . just follow Philambers instructions in an earlier post.

Here's what he was referring to (Also originally posted by Philamber, I believe):

DISCJUGGLER

First make sure that in Tools-> Options-> Verify that "Check CD data blocks with software generated EDC/ECC when reading in RAW mode" is unchecked.

Once you've done that, correct settings are:

READ
Check Scan gaps and indices, Ignore read errors and Raw read.
Read Speed - Any.
Leave other settings unchecked.

WRITE
Check Raw write.
Write Speed - Any
Leave other settings unchecked.

Follow these instructions and it should work fine. Let me know. I might hook my litey back up and try it myself.

Not always. It doesn't work for me either. Guess that makes two of us now.

Still, good to know that you got it copied successfully with alternative soft.

So it shouldn't matter whether you use the Litey52 or Asus52 when making Safedisc2.9 backups with the latest Alcohol 120% (v4.3.1 build 518)? Which would you consider the best for making Securom NEW 4.8x backups? And would you choose the BlindWrite Suite 4.25 or the Alcohol + TwinPeak method?

Hello to all,

I did a back-up of a SD 2.9 protected game .... (have to look back witch one).
No problems at all.
Reader: Lite-On LTD 165
Writer: 52 Speed Lite-On.
CloneCD: 4.2.0.2
Hopes this helps,

Lenco

Lenco,
Which game and what profile/settings did you use? Are you using emulation?

Hello,

Will look up the game when I get home this afternoon.
It is a Euro version and used the default Safedisc profile without Amplification of weak sectors.
Best regards,

Lenco

I just wanted to thank you all. I made a backup usng DiscJuggler. It still doesn't work in the burner drive without hide atip but it works in my other two drives. I guess my toshiba was able to read the pre-gap. While reading though, there were many CIRC errors or something like that in the first 3% or so and it was placed in with dummy blocks. Don't remember the exact message but does it sound normal??? I guess my copy with DJ is a bit more superior than the copy with CCD since it has a correctly writeen pre-gap. Anyway, it always good to have alternatives. Thanks everyone.

Normal.
Yes.

Very interesting. Perhaps I should have purchased another Liteon burner instead of the Asus 5224a. (kicking myself)
Here's what I've discovered about the Asus drive:
So far every burn has been extremely slow. Never writing faster than 20x.
Fireburner 2.2 doesn't recognize it at all. Version 1.17 recognizes it but the Disc dump image burned is a coaster.
The bundled Nero has a bug when you try to burn a disk. The program closes out without so much as a good bye. You have to download the update to get it to burn the Disk dump image, which also produces a coaster.
I burned a previously stored image of Win2K (which I created with CCD and a Ltr 24102b) and it didn't work!! WTF! (The original disk was pretty scratched when I made it, but a previously burned disk worked until I misplaced it)
There is a new firmware version out (1.35) which didn't improve the burn speed or quality, as far as I can tell.
I also produced only coasters with both Burnatonce and CCD Vs SD 2.9 with the Asus 5224a.
I use Memorex 48x 80 minute CD-Rs, which has always worked in the past. I wonder if the media is just not compatible?
Needless to say, I'm a little dissappointed with the Asus drive. It did produce a working backup for me, but if the Litey is doing the same thing with CCD, I think I would prefer to have purchased it instead.
Sorry for the length of this post, but I have been experimenting and thought someone might find my experiences useful.

@gregski24

My Lite-on works flawlessy and meets all my needs and all those you have mentioned above. I am more than happy about my purchase, but it was influenced because I read that the asus drive can copy some protections but fail to install them and just hang. The Lite-on in my opinion in current time conquers all.

I got my hands on a LTR 52246S (firmware 6SOD) and tried to make a backup of Sims Superstar with SD 2.9 using, Disc dump + Nero (coaster), Dd + FB version 2.1.7 (worked!), Cd Mate (Worked), Disc Juggler (Worked), and Clone CD No AWS (coaster) which are similar to the results using the Asus 5224A with the only exception being it created a working backup using Dd+Firburner. Still didn't work with CCd though. So IMHO the LTR 52246S is a better choice because the tried and true DD + Fireburner method works with the Litey and doesn't with the Asus.

@Xtacydima & Lenco,
I would really like to see the actual settings you used in CCd using the LTR 52246S Vs SD 2.9 because frankly I'm tired of burning coasters and I seem to have become obsessed with making it work. Perhaps you could paste the details of the profile you used here along with the read and write speed and any other information you might find relevant. I would truly appreciate it.

Thanks!