Aspi - Club CDFreaks

PHENOM · 19-01-2004

hello everyone,
i just have a quick and hopefully simply Q:
i reinstalled windows, and i have no APSI
installed, everything seems to work fine.

so my Q: is should i install APSI , and if so what ver

thanx in advance

k9cop · 19-01-2004

And your operating system,XP does not use aspi. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....light=aspi.bat you can read more here

PHENOM · 19-01-2004

great thank you k9cop
and yes i am running xp

*$CyBeRwIz$* · 19-01-2004

I thought WinXP uses ASPI but it is not native?

**Hemispasm** · 19-01-2004

Theres no need to install an ASPI layer for XP, unless you want to use a program that specifically asks for one ie Clony. Most burning programs dont need it, some do though. It is therefore a matter of which programs you want to use.

If you decide on installing an ASPI layer after all, i suggest version 4.60 as it has been reported to give the least problems. Me has it installed since day one and never had problems.

*CD 1986* · 19-01-2004

I have a strange problem with the aspi layer on winXP Pro:

Originally i had installed ForceASPI 4.60, which worked fine with programs such as DiscDump. However, i then changed to the Nero aspi layer to see if there were any gains in performance. I could find no advantage using Nero and since Discdump failed to work i switched back to the original.

Now the original aspi layer no longer works. It brings up garbage in ClonyXXL and Discdump will still not function. Any tips on what the problem could be?

Thanks in advance.

kid185 · 19-01-2004

sounds like you have part of the nero aspi still on PC

deinstall the aspi layer in nero that you installed. Might need to deinstall nero, and reinstall without aspi. then reinstall 4.60...

*CD 1986* · 19-01-2004

@ kid185

thanks for the info. It turned out not to be a problem with Nero however. After deciding to make a real effort to find the cause, it suddenly hit me....Nvidia accelerated SW ide drivers!!!

I'd risked putting them on when i installed nforce 3.13 drivers and luckily had no problems with them - until now. I hope Nvidia gets their act together soon, since the ide drivers do actually help hard disk performance; when they're not conflicting with other drivers.

Thanks for the quick response

*CD 1986* · 19-01-2004

Let this be a warning:

DON'T UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES use Nvidia's ide drivers at the moment. They mess with you pc and can cause major damage. I won't use them again until the problem is sorted.

kid185 · 20-01-2004

i had also a problem with the nvidia SW-ide drivers. I couldnt start cloneyxxl. It didnt recognize my drives. I am also waiting on update from NVidia that works.

should have asked earlier if you had that installed. glad you found the answer......

kid185 · 03-10-2004

For anyone still having problems with nvidia ide drivers and programs like Fireburner, DDump, and CloneyXXL not recognizing the drives afterwards, or showing garbage, I found a solution to the problem.

Get the WNASPI.dll from nero website, and copy it into the respective program directory, (ie...Cloneyxxl directory for cloney, Fireburner directory for fireburner, and well, you get what i mean)

afterwards, the drives will be recognized like they should be

kid185

**philamber** · 04-10-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by kid185

Get the WNASPI.dll from nero website, and copy it into the respective program directory, (ie...Cloneyxxl directory for cloney, Fireburner directory for fireburner, and well, you get what i mean)

Should work for the programs you mention BUT will not work for discdump. Adaptec aspi layer is needed for discdump (use v. 4.6).

olmari · 04-10-2004

Adaptec's ASPI sux big time... I quote Olli on http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....highlight=ASPI

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olli

> What is it about Adaptec ASPI that makes it so different? <

It sucks?

> I was looking at a tool called Bus Hound ( http://www.perisoft.net ) the other week and noticed that very thing. Well, I say that... it works ok in 98 but in my Server 2003 environment, it wouldnt see a damn thing! <

Forgot to mention: AnyDVD works on 9x with Adaptec ASPI, but not on Windows 2000/XP/2003

> I reported it to them and supposedly they've now done something to make it work but it involves looking at the ide controller / pri - sec channel traffic instead of that of the device.<

Did I mention that Adaptec ASPI sucks?

> I dont really understand how it all works at driver level but I do find it all very interesting! <

Adaptec ASPI actually opens SCSI: drivers directly (via a kernel mode driver aspi.sys, just to make it work in non-admin situations and to create an SRB and send it.

Unfortunately this opens a can of worms for them, Adaptec ASPI is actually broken by design:

1.) They won't see USB or Firewire Drives, as these devices don't enumerate as SCSIx: This is a k.o. criteria anyway, I love Firewire! Makes development of writing Software much easier:
Switch off Firewire case, change burner, switch on. No "open computer case, reboot, etc."

2.) They bypass any lower- & upper filter class drivers, maybe even the bus filter drivers. Drivers like "Hide CDR Media" (CloneCD) or "AnyDVD" or Bus Monitors are bypassed.

3.) They open the controller device object and cache the pointer. As ASPI has no real "Open" or "Close" device/controller Adaptec ASPI likes to crash with a BSOD after adding / removing controllers (remember: VirtualCloneDrive, DAEMON Tools, etc. are SCSI controllers as well!)
The controller can even come and go due to plug & play operations, system configuration changes, etc.
Roxio has very good reason *NOT* to use Adaptec ASPI in *ANY OF THEIR OWN PRODUCTS*!

4.) This is all well known for ages, and this is why I have written ElbyCDIO back in 1999 (2000?), and many others have tried themselves in Adaptec ASPI replacements.
There are *many* well working ASPI alternatives available (I tried those from NERO, RecDev, Poikosoft), all work fine with Bustrace, AnyDVD, etc.

5.) Adaptec ASPI *must* suck, because if you visit a message board and you find a message like "My CloneCD .. CloneDVD .. DVDDecrypter ... whatever doesn't work..." you always get the completely useless advise "Hey, you need to install the newest Adaptec ASPI drivers..." Shudder!
It is the same as telling "People, eat shit! It is good! You need it! Millions of flies can't be wrong!"

Important notice:
There is no issue or clash between Adaptec ASPI and AnyDVD. No need to worry. If your computer works, it will continue to do so.
Just don't install it on your next computer.

19-01-2004	#1 (permalink)
PHENOM CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 69	Aspi <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> hello everyone, i just have a quick and hopefully simply Q: i reinstalled windows, and i have no APSI installed, everything seems to work fine. so my Q: is should i install APSI , and if so what ver thanx in advance

19-01-2004	#2 (permalink)
k9cop CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: USA, NJ Posts: 399	And your operating system,XP does not use aspi. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....light=aspi.bat you can read more here __________________ Pentium 4. 3.4 ghz 1 gig ram nec 3450A HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8483B

19-01-2004	#4 (permalink)
$CyBeRwIz$ CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: True Blue, aka Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,254	I thought WinXP uses ASPI but it is not native? __________________ Author of The CD Freaks Offline Help doing version 2 code rewrites. Enjoy version 1. Version 1 is now released! You can get it here. In it you can learn about SafeDisc, SecuROM and heaps of other protections and learn on how to defeat them. Also you can take a look at some of my various tutorials in it and some frequently asked questions asked. Plus heaps more! Enjoy!

19-01-2004	#5 (permalink)
Hemispasm Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Goteborg, Sweden Posts: 4,087	Theres no need to install an ASPI layer for XP, unless you want to use a program that specifically asks for one ie Clony. Most burning programs dont need it, some do though. It is therefore a matter of which programs you want to use. If you decide on installing an ASPI layer after all, i suggest version 4.60 as it has been reported to give the least problems. Me has it installed since day one and never had problems. __________________ [Airhead]: How the devil?! I got 69! I am a french lesbian! Hemi HATES wallpapers AND pickles ........ never forget that There is one thing more evil than pickles, and that is STATISTICS...

19-01-2004	#7 (permalink)
kid185 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: germany Posts: 258	sounds like you have part of the nero aspi still on PC deinstall the aspi layer in nero that you installed. Might need to deinstall nero, and reinstall without aspi. then reinstall 4.60... __________________ A gate almost never gets oiled before the sqeaking hurts our ears. If a man says something in the middle of the woods, and his wife isnt there to hear it.....is he still wrong? ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe, AMD Athlon XP 2800+ Barton, 512 Meg DDR 333 Memory, Geforce 4 4400 MSI Graphicscard, Liteon LTR 48125W CDRW w/FW VS0D, JLMS XJ-HD166S w/FW DS1A, NEC 3500AG w/FW 2.18btrpc1 Windows XP Pro SP1

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19-01-2004	#3 (permalink)
PHENOM CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 69	great thank you k9cop and yes i am running xp

19-01-2004	#6 (permalink)
CD 1986 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: UK Posts: 801	I have a strange problem with the aspi layer on winXP Pro: Originally i had installed ForceASPI 4.60, which worked fine with programs such as DiscDump. However, i then changed to the Nero aspi layer to see if there were any gains in performance. I could find no advantage using Nero and since Discdump failed to work i switched back to the original. Now the original aspi layer no longer works. It brings up garbage in ClonyXXL and Discdump will still not function. Any tips on what the problem could be? Thanks in advance.

19-01-2004	#8 (permalink)
CD 1986 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: UK Posts: 801	@ kid185 thanks for the info. It turned out not to be a problem with Nero however. After deciding to make a real effort to find the cause, it suddenly hit me....Nvidia accelerated SW ide drivers!!! I'd risked putting them on when i installed nforce 3.13 drivers and luckily had no problems with them - until now. I hope Nvidia gets their act together soon, since the ide drivers do actually help hard disk performance; when they're not conflicting with other drivers. Thanks for the quick response

19-01-2004	#9 (permalink)
CD 1986 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: UK Posts: 801	Let this be a warning: DON'T UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES use Nvidia's ide drivers at the moment. They mess with you pc and can cause major damage. I won't use them again until the problem is sorted.

20-01-2004	#10 (permalink)
kid185 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: germany Posts: 258	i had also a problem with the nvidia SW-ide drivers. I couldnt start cloneyxxl. It didnt recognize my drives. I am also waiting on update from NVidia that works. should have asked earlier if you had that installed. glad you found the answer...... __________________ A gate almost never gets oiled before the sqeaking hurts our ears. If a man says something in the middle of the woods, and his wife isnt there to hear it.....is he still wrong? ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe, AMD Athlon XP 2800+ Barton, 512 Meg DDR 333 Memory, Geforce 4 4400 MSI Graphicscard, Liteon LTR 48125W CDRW w/FW VS0D, JLMS XJ-HD166S w/FW DS1A, NEC 3500AG w/FW 2.18btrpc1 Windows XP Pro SP1

03-10-2004	#11 (permalink)
kid185 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: germany Posts: 258	Re: Aspi For anyone still having problems with nvidia ide drivers and programs like Fireburner, DDump, and CloneyXXL not recognizing the drives afterwards, or showing garbage, I found a solution to the problem. Get the WNASPI.dll from nero website, and copy it into the respective program directory, (ie...Cloneyxxl directory for cloney, Fireburner directory for fireburner, and well, you get what i mean) afterwards, the drives will be recognized like they should be kid185 __________________ A gate almost never gets oiled before the sqeaking hurts our ears. If a man says something in the middle of the woods, and his wife isnt there to hear it.....is he still wrong? ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe, AMD Athlon XP 2800+ Barton, 512 Meg DDR 333 Memory, Geforce 4 4400 MSI Graphicscard, Liteon LTR 48125W CDRW w/FW VS0D, JLMS XJ-HD166S w/FW DS1A, NEC 3500AG w/FW 2.18btrpc1 Windows XP Pro SP1

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