Another Person with WC3 troubles... - Club CDFreaks

aggybong · 08-09-2002

OK, I have WC3 ripped successfully (Checked it with D-Tools with no Emulation), yet when I try to burn the Image, it always asks for CD. I have a Lite-On 32123S drive with latest firmware. I've used both the Lite-On SecureRom (NEW) Profile, as well as the regular old SecureRom profile, and neither have worked. I also have "Hide CDR Media" checked.

Am I missing something?

Carn · 08-09-2002

I really can't see how you could have problems coping WC3 it is an extremely easy game to copy, unless you haven't got the right CloneCD settings or something. I burned it successfully with my Ricoh MP7120A 12x10x32.

Here are the settings i used.

Read Settings
Data Read Settings
Read Speed: x20
Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks: ticked
Regenerate Data Sectors: ticked

Audio Reading Settings
Audio Read Speed: x20
Audio Extraction Quality: Best (Slowest)
Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks: ticked
Only read the first Session: unticked

Error Handling
Fast Error Skip Settings: off
Abort on Read Error: unticked
Intelligent Bad Sector Scanning: unticked

Burn Settings
Write Settings
Amplify Weak Sectors: unticked
Don't Repair Subchannel Data: ticked
Always close last session: ticked

aggybong · 08-09-2002

I've tried that, and it doesn't work, which is why I'm asking here =D The IMG ripped from the CD works fine since it works in D-Tools, but I can't seem to burn it correctly.

*Flying Dutchman* · 08-09-2002

Are you sure you made a succesful copy? This might be a longshot but did you burn with hide-cdr media running? That can sometimes mess up the burn causing it not to run.

aggybong · 08-09-2002

Looks like I have a successful copy. The Fix? I checked "Don't repair Subchannel Data". Both SecureRom (LiteOn and Original) do not have this checked by default, so I guess they aren't good profiles ;\

**philamber** · 09-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by aggybong
Looks like I have a successful copy. The Fix? I checked "Don't repair Subchannel Data". Both SecureRom (LiteOn and Original) do not have this checked by default, so I guess they aren't good profiles ;\

They are good profiles and "Don't repair Subchannel Data" shouldn't be required. However, WCIII often produces peculiar and, at times, inexplicable results, particularly with Lite-on writers. ("Regenerate Data Sectors" shouldn't be required and shouldn't do anything anyway BUT is often both necessary and effective to obtain a good image, especially with the Ltr-24102b).

ChrisP · 09-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Carn
I really can't see how you could have problems coping WC3 it is an extremely easy game to copy, unless you haven't got the right CloneCD settings or something. I burned it successfully with my Ricoh MP7120A 12x10x32.

I keep reading other people saying this and keep trying -- my stack of coasters continues to grow. I also have a disk image that works without emulation, but I can't seem to burn the thing successfully (with an GCE 8160B). I'll try these settings, although I'm not optimistic. OTOH, because the disk image works, I can run the game without using the CD.

Off topic, I was concerned about a backup because I'd lost 4 CDs in two months, on different CD drives, all due to cracking (one destroyed itself inside the drive, which somehow survived). I finally figured out what was going on -- it was the &*%#ing double CD jewel cases I was using. They have a certain rigid hub design that puts too much stress on the CD hub, which causes the cracking. I found about 6 more originals that were starting to crack -- fortunately, all are backed up and safely stored away (not in jewel cases). There's a moral here somewhere.

Chris P.

**philamber** · 09-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisP

I also have a disk image that works without emulation, but I can't seem to burn the thing successfully (with an GCE 8160B). I'll try these settings, although I'm not optimistic. OTOH, because the disk image works, I can run the game without using the CD.

If you've got a good image but can't burn it correctly, you may be out of luck.

However, you might try the new program alcohol 120% with which I have been able to make working copies of WCIII (of course, I can also do so with clonecd so this may not mean much). You can get a trial version from the Downloads page of CDR Times .

The program also includes emulation functions so even if you can't get a perfect copy, you can probably get an imperfect copy to work by enabling securerom emulation. Further, it also has a function like that of clonecd to hide the atip of a copy so you can play a back-up from your writer.

webcrawler · 09-09-2002

hey philamber,

i just downloaded Alcohol 120% and tried making an image of WC3, but it gave me a "Disc read error at : 323568".
did you get this while reading the disc??

does securom *new* use unreadable sectors like safedisc?

the image mounts and works, but wat's up with the error...

thanks!

webcrawler · 09-09-2002

a little more testing...

The original disc can't be damaged as i checked with nero's scan disc and it was perfect.
funny thing is if i use a backup to make an image with alcohol there is no read error, after that i tried clonecd with the original and it never mentioned any read error.
but each time i read the original with alcohol it gives me this error.

here are the logs:

Alcohol 120% 1.3.1 (Build 904)

Code:

===------------=== Recording Progress Detail Log ===----------------===
PM 09:40:19 Disc dumping : (F:) SONY CD-RW  CRX195E1 (2:0)
PM 09:40:19 Reading Mode : RAW + SUB-96 , Ignore reading errors
PM 09:40:19 Source Info :  Session : 1, Track : 1, Length : 632.0 MB / 071:54:22
PM 09:40:19 Writing image file : D:\Warcraft III Alcohol\Warcraft III.mdf
PM 09:42:59 Disc read error at : 323568
PM 09:42:59 Disc dumping completed!
PM 09:42:59 D:\Warcraft III Alcohol\Warcraft III.mds : Image file writing completed!
===-----------------------------------------------------------------===

CloneCD 4.0.1.10

Code:

I 9:50:04 PM Starting copy from SONY CD-RW  CRX195E1 to D:\Warcraft III CCD\warcraft3.ccd
I 9:50:04 PM Read Speed for Data Tracks: Maximum
I 9:50:04 PM Read Speed for Audio Tracks: Maximum
I 9:50:04 PM Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks: Yes
I 9:50:04 PM Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks: No
I 9:50:04 PM Fast Error Skip: No
I 9:50:04 PM Don't report read errors: No
I 9:50:04 PM Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner: No
I 9:50:04 PM CD contains CD-Text: No
I 9:50:04 PM Reading Track 1... (Blocks 0-323572)
I 9:52:40 PM Duration of operation: 00:02:36
I 9:52:40 PM Average Speed: 4867 kBytes/s (27.66)
I 9:52:40 PM Reading finished!

dik · 10-09-2002

Hi aggybong

I placed an earlier post explaining how I copied WC3 - I used CCD v3.3.4.1

I decided to waste more valuable time on it and came up with the following results, settings are as per secure-rom profile.

Read with CCD v4.0.1.10 - write with v4.0.1.10 - no good

Read with v4 - write with v3 - good

Read with v3 - write with v4 - no good

Read with v3 - write with v3 - good

So, the problem appears to be with using v4 to write with?
As I asked earlier, can someone explain why v3 writes ok but v4 doesn't? I'm stuffed if I know.

(I've made numerous copies, btw, to prove it's not a one-off).

ciao,
dik.

**philamber** · 10-09-2002

@ webcrawler
WCIII shouldn't have any bad sectors and, apparently, your copy doesn't (if clonecd is any guide). It would seem to be a case of a phantom error being reported since the copy made with alcohol doesn't have the error (as it should have done if the error were really there and the image were burned correctly). Why alcohol should disclose a phantom read error near the very end of the cd, I've no idea but it should be remembered that it's still in beta development (though I'm told that retail version will be released in the next week or two).

@ dik
Weird results. Maybe olli or sheepfriend could explain it if you sent them the details. I certainly can't (though this version of securerom new does seem to produce weird and inexplicable results, particularly with Litey writers).

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aggybong CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 73	Another Person with WC3 troubles... <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> OK, I have WC3 ripped successfully (Checked it with D-Tools with no Emulation), yet when I try to burn the Image, it always asks for CD. I have a Lite-On 32123S drive with latest firmware. I've used both the Lite-On SecureRom (NEW) Profile, as well as the regular old SecureRom profile, and neither have worked. I also have "Hide CDR Media" checked. Am I missing something?

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Flying Dutchman CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC / Binghamton Posts: 1,369	Are you sure you made a succesful copy? This might be a longshot but did you burn with hide-cdr media running? That can sometimes mess up the burn causing it not to run. __________________ I'm not spamming, I'm trying to help people And the CDFreaks living room has reached a new low...

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webcrawler CD Freaks Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 186	alcohol 120% hey philamber, i just downloaded Alcohol 120% and tried making an image of WC3, but it gave me a "Disc read error at : 323568". did you get this while reading the disc?? does securom new use unreadable sectors like safedisc? the image mounts and works, but wat's up with the error... thanks!

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08-09-2002	#2 (permalink)
Carn New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2	I really can't see how you could have problems coping WC3 it is an extremely easy game to copy, unless you haven't got the right CloneCD settings or something. I burned it successfully with my Ricoh MP7120A 12x10x32. Here are the settings i used. Read Settings Data Read Settings Read Speed: x20 Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks: ticked Regenerate Data Sectors: ticked Audio Reading Settings Audio Read Speed: x20 Audio Extraction Quality: Best (Slowest) Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks: ticked Only read the first Session: unticked Error Handling Fast Error Skip Settings: off Abort on Read Error: unticked Intelligent Bad Sector Scanning: unticked Burn Settings Write Settings Amplify Weak Sectors: unticked Don't Repair Subchannel Data: ticked Always close last session: ticked

08-09-2002	#3 (permalink)
aggybong CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 73	I've tried that, and it doesn't work, which is why I'm asking here =D The IMG ripped from the CD works fine since it works in D-Tools, but I can't seem to burn it correctly.

08-09-2002	#5 (permalink)
aggybong CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 73	Looks like I have a successful copy. The Fix? I checked "Don't repair Subchannel Data". Both SecureRom (LiteOn and Original) do not have this checked by default, so I guess they aren't good profiles ;\

10-09-2002	#11 (permalink)
dik CD Freaks Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Oz Posts: 202	Hi aggybong I placed an earlier post explaining how I copied WC3 - I used CCD v3.3.4.1 I decided to waste more valuable time on it and came up with the following results, settings are as per secure-rom profile. Read with CCD v4.0.1.10 - write with v4.0.1.10 - no good Read with v4 - write with v3 - good Read with v3 - write with v4 - no good Read with v3 - write with v3 - good So, the problem appears to be with using v4 to write with? As I asked earlier, can someone explain why v3 writes ok but v4 doesn't? I'm stuffed if I know. (I've made numerous copies, btw, to prove it's not a one-off). ciao, dik.

10-09-2002	#12 (permalink)
philamber Legal Senior Admin Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: True Blue Posts: 6,804	@ webcrawler WCIII shouldn't have any bad sectors and, apparently, your copy doesn't (if clonecd is any guide). It would seem to be a case of a phantom error being reported since the copy made with alcohol doesn't have the error (as it should have done if the error were really there and the image were burned correctly). Why alcohol should disclose a phantom read error near the very end of the cd, I've no idea but it should be remembered that it's still in beta development (though I'm told that retail version will be released in the next week or two). @ dik Weird results. Maybe olli or sheepfriend could explain it if you sent them the details. I certainly can't (though this version of securerom new does seem to produce weird and inexplicable results, particularly with Litey writers).