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| CD Freaks Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress The more detail I discover, the best it is... I think I found the forum referred by lostinnil in the thread about the 4x limit you mentioned: bbs.et8.net/bbs/archive/index.php/t-740969.html They also offer the application directly! but I am not able to register :-( I need someone else to try, because it would be the fastest way. No interaction with anyone, file available immediately for download. |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Has anyone tried to register in that forum? I received an answer from Cypress, they say to use the CY4615B dev kit software (Blaster.exe). I wasn't able, but maybe I did something wrong, so could someone else try it? Well, I am working under VirtualPC environment in an iBook, so maybe I get error messages due to only partial USB emulation. |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Mh, what could I say? Success? :-) Oh, well, not a complete success: I reprogrammed the chip and enabled UDMA, so ok. I get now more than 7 MB/s, and the EEPROM is just like they suggest. However, I don't know exactly why, I still can't get more than 14-15 MB/s: 16x burning is impossible! 12x probably too. It could depend on my usb2 controller, of course, my iBook is known for having a not so fast one, but I can get 22 MB/s with another external USB case with a Prolific chipset, so the difference is too big. Anyway... the package. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2YUQX5OJ I used the at2blaster application from the 4615 dev kit. It seems it installs a "programming driver", so you have to associate the device with that one and not let win use the usb mass storage driver. Then, try to connect the device when asked, I had to try many times (VPC is slow). I simply changed the UDMA bit, so from 0x94 you should get 0xd4. Please make some speed tests, I would like to know what you can get out of this chip. |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress No problem, I found the culprit: http://www.barefeats.com/usb2.html My USB2 chipset/drivers are the source of the problem. I hope to get better results when and if I will have a Macbook, but for the time being I will use the fastburn firmware patch, to burn at 8X P-CLV, it would take the same speed as a 12X normal burn. |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress @olafmarzocchi: Yay! Success! ![]() I used the AT2Blaster tool in Windows 98SE under VMware and changed the UDMA bit (second bit from the left in the 0x06 bitfield on the leftmost tab), then powered my enclosure off then on again. Did this with both my enclosures. Now I get a burst rate of 19 MB/s in one enclosure with a LiteOn SOHR-5239V CD-RW drive and 20 MB/s in another enclosure with a BenQ DW1655. Both were at only 7 MB/s before. Thanks for doing all the ground work! ![]() Now I'll see how fast I can burn since burning is always more difficult than reading.
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Quote:
20 MB/s for the Benq looks good (I have 21 with my Philips, but this is just tolerance)Quote:
Michael
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Here's a Create Disc and Read Transfer Test with a BewnQ DW1655 (UDMA2) in my Evertech Cypress AT2 enclosure after enabling UDMA. As predicted it cannot burn at 16x but it reaches 14x. It reaches 16x during reading however.
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Hi, Quote:
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Quote:
There also seems to be something running on my laptop that does I/O or checks USB exactly once every minute. Quote:
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress I noticed today that my enclosure is capable of doing 21 MB/s during reading! that's incredible... When I tried last time a 12X burn, just before switching to FB firmware, few % before the end switched to 8x speed. Maybe I should try again a 12X burn! |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Quote:
Could you give us the details of the seller (name, site, ...)? | |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Hi, Quote:
Since I paid only 20 € (+shipping), I think, it was at clearance at that time. Michael
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Quote:
OK, thank you! Seto1 | |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Brand New BenQ 1655, just bought it at Staples under I/O Magic, came with OEM firmware, using CVT firmware to flash it to retail firmware, then flash it again to BCGB region free firmware from TDB. Did the speed test on the burnt disc, RitekF1 under office depot brand, reach 16X easily. Using this enclosure: http://www.dealsonic.com/usb20enfor52.html It has Cypress AT2+ chip, capable of 20X burn for Pioneer and NEC drive, Sony and Lite-On. Computer Info: Toshiba C2D T5500, 2GB RAM, NVIDIA 7300 with 256meg, Burnt from IMG file using imgburn. The source is from Seagate EXt HDD connected to the laptop via USB, so burning from USB to USB @ 12X since it is a Ritek. The quality scan will be posted in BenQ Vanishing Thread, I will post the speed test in here since it is more relevant. @Dragemaster, you need at least AT2+ chip to overcome the speed bottleneck
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Hello, Guys! I'm new to this board. This is terrific information, since my Cypress-based enclosure is not going beyond 4x with my Lite-on LH-20A1H. Could you please upload the AT2 blaster tool to a different file hosting service, if possible? Megaupload is not working for me. Did you guys really had to use Win98 to flash the eeprom? Won't work at all in Win XP? Also, how do you associate the enclosure with the above-mentioned development driver (instead of the generic mass storage driver)? Thanks! |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Hi arozenfeld, welcome to CDFreaks! ![]() Quote:
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It should be possible to do it using Windows XP but I think you manually have to change the driver for the external drive. I haven't looked into how to do this, since it wasn't necessary to do it in Windows 98. Quote:
I cannot guarantee that this is the right way to do it, as I haven't done this myself.
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Hi, DrageMester. Amazing forum, BTW. I have a pro DVD authoring background, so I am really enjoying all the information here. This is immensely useful for me. Thank you so much for your help, and for posting the ATblaster tool. Can you believe my Lite-On LH-20A1H is peaking at only 4X? I can't wait to try this. I think I saw here the specific addresses and values to edit? I'll search again now. As Olaf, I am Mac-based... With Bootcamp, I can perfectly run Windows... but 10 years with Macs made me quite illiterate when it comes to Windows. I have no clue about VMWare, or if it and Win98 will run under Bootcamp at all. Tweaking Win drivers is another area of ignorance for me.... The guy who makes the custom MP3 player for some reason warns against doing it in Win XP, so it perhaps is a good idea to avoid it... Anybody tried this in XP? |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress Thanks again, guys. It was a complete success! This Lite-On/Cypress combo, which wasn't going beyond 4X, is now peaking at 16x... with 16x media. Average is 12x. Not bad at all! On Mac the performance is not that good (or Toast's speed readout is not accurate), but still is at least twice of what it was a few hours ago. Plus, the thing appears with my name as manufacturer in every hardware profiler ![]() This forum has been so helpful. You see, the Firewire bus on my laptop will be taken by a Firewire to SCSI adapter (to drive a DLT drive for DVD authoring, long story), so for me getting decent performance out of USB2 was very important. That's exactly what I am getting now... Thanks again. |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress I'm trying to do this under Windows XP. Where exactly is the programming driver located so that I can associate my enclosure with it? Do I import the EEPROM from the enclosure or the W56 file included with the install? And for the record, having to engage in such arcane tweaking using an outmoded OS like Win98 makes Cypress AT2 off any recommended list for burners. Either something works out of the box or has a widely known and easy fix. This is neither. |
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| Re: External enclosures: Genesys Logic vs. Cypress I used Win XP... on a Macbook Pro. I have good news and bad news. Good news: I Have *everything* I downloaded back then in a folder. If you want it, write to me: ar@adolforozenfeld.com Bad news: I completely erased the details from my poor mind. Seriously. I don't remember anything about this. Quote:
But you don't know how good it feels when after a couple of days of searching the internet finding nothing, you get this obscure hack to work! I mean, in practical terms it's crazy. It doesn't make any sense. But in some way, it feels so incredibly good when you find this piece of hidden information in the internet and get it to work.... that... it's completely worth it, if you're of the obsessed type like surely the rest of us interested in this are ![]() | |
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