1213 external enclosure issues; looks like the days of externals.. - Page 3 - Club CDFreaks

*Jamos* · 18-07-2004

my future mboard..
http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts...NSNXP&REFID=PW

davidh44 · 19-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach-hobo

It depends where the Ali ChipSet is !!!

The Ali ChipSet is for USB support in the PCMCIA Card (not case).

It appears that the NEC & Ali in the PCMCIA Cards perform the same.

I use an Ali ChipSet to support a External Hard Drive with no problem.

Can't talk on DVD issue, but people in other forums think it's great.

My Two Cents ...

I have had a different experience. Replacing an ALi-based USB 2.0 controller card with an NEC-based USB 2.0 controller card resulted in a 40% increase in transfer speed from my external enclosure. I don't care for ALi chipsets whether it's on a USB 2.0 controller card or within an enclosure.

*MacClipper* · 19-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

16x burn on firewire:

Can you kindly post your mobo model, firewire casing chipset/firmware version?

btw, the way you cropped the pics left out all the necessary details (to me) of your test too esp the interface bandwidth. Thanks.

booma · 21-07-2004

when using enclosures, does anybody notice any difference between having them set for 'quick removal' or 'performance'? I tried again with my usb2 case (for experimental purposes, and because Jamos highlighted the difference between 32k and 64k transfer modes), but it still suffered from the same problems

*beach-hobo* · 21-07-2004

Hi Guys,
Wish we knew someone with a real LiteOn External SX unit. They have all their DVD drives available installed in Cases (there is even a 1213SX unit). Well I ordered one from Costco. It's ONSALE this week for $119.00 after instant rebate. If it works great, if it doesn't I will return it under Costco lifetime product warranty. Will let everyone know the ChipSet used after I take delivery!!!

P.S. The Costco price is $80 this week for an internal after instant rebate. Same warranty...

*Kenshin* · 21-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamos

um mine was one of those new oxford 911 chipset with usb2 bridge same issues. heres what i had and you know its the newer one because it handle harddrives up to 250gb (older chipsets could only handle 120gig).
http://www.firewire-1394.com/ads-dua...-drive-kit.htm

so its more than just the controller but i dont beleive i was using 1394b on my audigy card..that could be the issue it may have just a 1394 connection.
im not sure what kind of firewire connection is on my laptop.

maybe the key is to buy a 1394b pcmcia card for my laptop.

this looks interesting too ads makes external enclosures me thinks this may be made for that kind of work but who knows...
http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.js...oid=-10123&m=0

1394B is standard only on some expensive desktop otherboards so far. I haven't seen an exception yet. Perhaps some amazingly expensive laptop computers will have 1394B as well.

*Kenshin* · 21-07-2004

It took me 8 minutes and 32 seconds to burn SL TY 8x DVD+R. I used LG GSA-4120B in an IDE to USB external setup. The Lead-In and pre-Lead-In time was over 50 seconds.

*beach-hobo* · 21-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshin

It took me 8 minutes and 32 seconds to burn SL TY 8x DVD+R. I used LG GSA-4120B in an IDE to USB external setup. The Lead-In and pre-Lead-In time was over 50 seconds.

Hi Guys,
I think that most of the problems are within the "BridgeBoard". Here is my testing up to now.

Prolific Combo ChipSet: TransferRate = 22MB (IEEE), 12MB (USB)
Oxford 911 & Cypress ChipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (IEEE), 7MB (USB)
InSystem ChipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (USB) with 812S@832S (VS08)
InSystem ChipSet: TransferRate = 10MB (USB) with 800A@822U (7.GS)
NEC ShipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (USB)

Testing in OnGoing...

*beach-hobo* · 27-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach-hobo

Hi Guys,
I think that most of the problems are within the "BridgeBoard". Here is my testing up to now.

Prolific Combo ChipSet: TransferRate = 22MB (IEEE), 12MB (USB)
Oxford 911 & Cypress ChipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (IEEE), 7MB (USB)
InSystem ChipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (USB) with 812S@832S (VS08)
InSystem ChipSet: TransferRate = 10MB (USB) with 800A@822U (7.GS)
NEC ShipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (USB)

Testing in OnGoing...

Still waiting for a NEW Plumax Combo Case ($33.00 @ dealsonic.com). It uses the Prolific BridgeBoard (PL-3507 ChipSet). I also have the new Prolific Firmware 7/7/2004 waiting to be installed. UnOfficial source stated this 7/7/04 version was modified for the LiteOn 1633S drive.

The New 12X External LG DVD uses this ChipSet (See Picture...)

*Kenshin* · 27-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach-hobo

Still waiting for a NEW Plumax Combo Case ($33.00 @ dealsonic.com). It uses the Prolific BridgeBoard (PL-3507 ChipSet). I also have the new Prolific Firmware 7/7/2004 waiting to be installed. UnOfficial source stated this 7/7/04 version was modified for the LiteOn 1633S drive.

The New 12X External LG DVD uses this ChipSet (See Picture...)

You forgot to mention the source.

http://www.storageinfo.co.kr/EzMODse...ic.php?t=20222

*Kenshin* · 27-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach-hobo

Hi Guys,
I think that most of the problems are within the "BridgeBoard". Here is my testing up to now.

Prolific Combo ChipSet: TransferRate = 22MB (IEEE), 12MB (USB)
Oxford 911 & Cypress ChipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (IEEE), 7MB (USB)
InSystem ChipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (USB) with 812S@832S (VS08)
InSystem ChipSet: TransferRate = 10MB (USB) with 800A@822U (7.GS)
NEC ShipSet: TransferRate = 12MB (USB)

Testing in OnGoing...

7-12MB for USB is pathetic. No wonder why so many hardware sites reviewed USB vs. IEEE 1394 and then conclude USB is too slow without emphasizing it's mostly bridge chipset problems.

The best external enclosure will be SATA + IEEE 1394b + USB 2.0 + LAN but it cost a lot more than 16x DVD writers.

*beach-hobo* · 27-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshin

7-12MB for USB is pathetic. No wonder why so many hardware sites reviewed USB vs. IEEE 1394 and then conclude USB is too slow without emphasizing it's mostly bridge chipset problems.

The best external enclosure will be SATA + IEEE 1394b + USB 2.0 + LAN but it cost a lot more than 16x DVD writers.

Kenshin,
Sorry, I forgot to give credit to the source of the picture. But as you can see it's a Prolific PL-3507 ChipSet.

Your description of the "BEST EXCLOSURE" is fantastic !!! Only problem "Is there any place you can buy one now ???".

*rdgrimes* · 27-07-2004

My biggest gripe with USB is that I always have trouble getting Windoz to recognice a device. Not so with firewire, just plug it in.

*Kenshin* · 27-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach-hobo

Kenshin,
Sorry, I forgot to give credit to the source of the picture. But as you can see it's a Prolific PL-3507 ChipSet.

Your description of the "BEST EXCLOSURE" is fantastic !!! Only problem "Is there any place you can buy one now ???".

My eyesight is not good. That's a very good news.

marcog · 09-08-2004

I am going to buy a NEC ND3500A (16X). What external enclosure do you guys think wuld be the best for a reasonable price?

I have been looking at the following:

BYTECC 5.25" USB 2.0/ 1394 Combo External Enclosure, Model "ME-320U2F" -RETAIL for $42.99
Speeze 5.25" USB 2.0 External Hard Drive Enclosure, Model "350U2" -RETAIL for $30.99
COOLMAX 3.5"/ 5.25" USB 2.0 BLACK External Enclosure, Model "CD-510B-U2" -RETAIL for $42.99

Looking here.

I will be buying from UK.

booma · 09-08-2004

buying from UK? dunno if it'll handle max speed (but then again, that varies from computer to computer and host controller to host controller). Best type I can think of is from HERE

marcog · 09-08-2004

So are you saying you think that one will do better than the others I mentioned?

The only problem I have with that one is that it looks very bland. Although, if it's the best one speed-wise and you don't think the others will make it, I'll go for it.

I don't know if it helps, but if I go into Device Manager it calls my Firewire "VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller". Don't know exactly what that means though.

Electrox3d · 21-09-2004

why oh why... so USB 2.0 is so so for 12x but won't work at 16x unless you have the BEST OF THE BEST USB 2.0 ports? :::SIGH::: well, i should invest in more firewire ports on my system.

*beach-hobo* · 21-09-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcog

I am going to buy a NEC ND3500A (16X). What external enclosure do you guys think wuld be the best for a reasonable price?

I have been looking at the following:

BYTECC 5.25" USB 2.0/ 1394 Combo External Enclosure, Model "ME-320U2F" -RETAIL for $42.99
Speeze 5.25" USB 2.0 External Hard Drive Enclosure, Model "350U2" -RETAIL for $30.99
COOLMAX 3.5"/ 5.25" USB 2.0 BLACK External Enclosure, Model "CD-510B-U2" -RETAIL for $42.99

Looking here.

I will be buying from UK.

All of these cases come from the same manufacturer.
www.WELLAND.com.tw
They have two different models of each case. One with the Prolific PL-3507 ChipSet and the other with Oxford 911 ChipSet on the bridgeBoards. Each one has it good and bad points.
1. Prolific 3507 firewire has a lockup problem and a delayed write issue for hard drives. USB2 support is great.
2. Oxford 911 is the best for firewire, but most of the bridgeboards use Cypress for USB2 and it stinks.

Ask for details for what's in the case !!!!!

crashnburn_in · 10-10-2004

which External enclosure are you using here ? any updates on it ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack

Just to reinforce what rdg is saying, I get exactly the same behaviour here with my LG 4120 burner, so it's not the liteon drive that's causing the problem.

I have a nforce2 MoBo (Gigabyte 7NNXP) with onboard USB2 and IEEE1394, and Oxford911 based external enclosure.

USB2 can cope with 8X burn speed fine, but only IEEE1394 can cope with 12X burn speed.

crashnburn_in · 10-10-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshin

There are now enclosures supporting USB 2.0 and IEEE 1394b. 16x DVD+R recording will be fine with most 1394b.

recommendations please ?

crashnburn_in · 10-10-2004

which enclosure was it ? would you recommend it now ? what would be the better enclosure to go for now ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamos

well buying a 1394b enclosure fixed my problem on my desktop (even though i just used the built in 1394a connection from my motherboard) after that i could burn up to 12x+ ) no problem with my new external enclosure.

The limitation of my laptop is that all my usb/firewire ports use the freaking pci bus (why i hate laptops!)..ie they share resources and i cant seem to find a way to manually adjust the bandwidth. PCMCIA fireware cards would do me no good as they share the same bus too..in fact they were worse!

seems that the new 1394b is twice the speed of 1394a (800mbit) so i may have to wait for a 1394b pcmica card which may be available but am not sure since they require 64 bits.

they have 64 bit pci cards but if you dont have a 64 bit pci slot on your computers motherboard then you only get the same performance as the 1394a.

im thinking new motherboards will have 1394b connectors built in.

in mho i think this is the direction that we are going to go to for faster harddrive and writer speeds for externals.

*rdgrimes* · 10-10-2004

I'm using the Bytecc dual-link box from NewEgg, which is reported to use the Oxford Firewire chip. Keep in mind that the box is only 1/2 of the equation, your controller must also be up to speed.

theodoru · 18-10-2004

I have a Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-108 drive in a Plumax PM-525U2-PCS external enclosure on USB 2.0, i bought it from ebay.com

http://store.4linkcomm.com/plsiusb20exe.html

as you migth know i can write dvds only at 4x max and the burner is 16x,
...to bad...because i don't have the patience...i want to take it out and
put the writer in my desktop, if i'll ever want to write dvds from my laptop i won't - i think i'll copy the stuff from laptop on my desktop then write it....

The problem is - i dont't know how to open it and put the dvd drive in my computer, i dont't have the original box anymore (i think there were some instructions how to do this) - so : BIG MISTAKE !!!

can anyone please help me!?

*pinto2* · 18-10-2004

Welcome theodoru

Here is one link of interest. A pm to topicstarter or the members involved (i.e. cnlson) might also help...

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booma CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: UK they say Posts: 490	Re: 1213 external enclosure issues looks like the days of externals.. buying from UK? dunno if it'll handle max speed (but then again, that varies from computer to computer and host controller to host controller). Best type I can think of is from HERE __________________ Can't stop, won't stop

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marcog CD Freaks Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 100	Re: 1213 external enclosure issues looks like the days of externals.. So are you saying you think that one will do better than the others I mentioned? The only problem I have with that one is that it looks very bland. Although, if it's the best one speed-wise and you don't think the others will make it, I'll go for it. I don't know if it helps, but if I go into Device Manager it calls my Firewire "VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller". Don't know exactly what that means though.

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18-10-2004	#74 (permalink)
theodoru New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3	Re: 1213 external enclosure issues looks like the days of externals.. I have a Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-108 drive in a Plumax PM-525U2-PCS external enclosure on USB 2.0, i bought it from ebay.com http://store.4linkcomm.com/plsiusb20exe.html as you migth know i can write dvds only at 4x max and the burner is 16x, ...to bad...because i don't have the patience...i want to take it out and put the writer in my desktop, if i'll ever want to write dvds from my laptop i won't - i think i'll copy the stuff from laptop on my desktop then write it.... The problem is - i dont't know how to open it and put the dvd drive in my computer, i dont't have the original box anymore (i think there were some instructions how to do this) - so : BIG MISTAKE !!! can anyone please help me!?

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pinto2 DVD Freak Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nordic Region Posts: 7,303	Re: 1213 external enclosure issues looks like the days of externals.. Welcome theodoru Here is one link of interest. A pm to topicstarter or the members involved (i.e. cnlson) might also help...

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