There is no way on earth Sony would let that happen since they know good and well that if all high-def titles were released in both formats that Blu-Ray would be in serious trouble. Think about it, entry line HD player retails for $150 and the high end model for $300. You MIGHT find an entry level V1.0 Blu-Ray player on sale for the same price of the highest priced HD-DVD standalone. Not saying that Blu-Ray wouldn't sell anything since die-hard PS3 owners would like having everything in a machine they were going to buy anyways but as a whole all things being equal, HD-DVD would definitely win if everything was released in both formats due to hardware costs.

I can switch back and forth and there really is a difference in channel separation.

But you do what you have to do.

Jester i'm with you but if HD-DVD doesn't start coming out with burners then.......who knows.

I think that the younger people will decide this as the older people don't like change. Hence my take on farmers and older generation.

I'm 51 soon to be 52 and like i said i'm the only one that i know of with any type of a HD player.

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Don't forget the law suit for the expensive Sammy Blu-ray plays and word getting around.

The thing is, all these people that are buying into the whole new HD receiver crap aren't understanding one significant point...the players are all decoding the sound locally and transmitting LPCM over HDMI anyway, so, their fancy receiver that "supports" all the HD audio formats are pretty freaking useless in reality. Hence, I don't lose much with my analog solution.

I'm more of an audio nut than a video nut.

Anyway i know people that bought a so called surround sound setup and spent the least amount of money they could and ended up with crap from Wally World or K-mart or heck i don't know and say wow look i have surround sound now......... and they put in a movie and i have to laugh.

OUCH!! I know my setup isn't anywhere's near "high end" but it's a decent midrange setup. Yamaha receiver with full yamaha speakers to match. It sounds pretty good. I'm also an audio freak but I just don't have the cash for the setup I'd really like. This works for now.

I'm talking about some people getting those little speakers and a really small sub and not really even getting surround sound. Just simulated stereo.

Oh I know what you mean. I've seen them. Like 99 bucks all in the box at Walmart. Oi. Tin cans have better acoustics.

I basically have this and a C-1 for my center with the 12' sub so it's a 6.1 system > http://www.klipsch.com/products/deta...er-system.aspx

With a 600w Sony receiver using optical out.

yeah and they think it's great

The C-1 is my center and the C-3 is my back center speaker.

Last night I happen to upgrade my Toshiba HD player "A3" to new f/w version 2.0 after completion the player went dead and became none responsive to both remote or bottoms on the box. Return the player to the CC this afternoon and got the new one with no hassle.

Bob & I and others stay with HD format and wait for the time to take its course.

Hey folks! I’ve been browsing this forum for a while in attempt to find answers as confused and depressed HD DVD owner. It seems that this forum is still neutral and easygoing not like the other two forums I’m in, there are many blu fanboys that is burying the hd fans, as well as hd fanatics themselves. And that makes me even more confused, sick and tired reading those forums. No answer from both camps just smacking down the average people. Also I hope I’m not interrupting anything as it seems some of you guys are depressed as well.

Anyway, I own a A30 not long ago along with few free movies. I’ve been discussing things with my office buddies. We had a good discussion during lunch break. All of my buddies own a Toshiba player and one also owns a Sony blu-ray player from costco so the discussion is mixed but at the end I think we had a good one lol.

Anyway, one point that we brought up in the discussion is about a statistics from Nielsen videoscan that shows high definition market share of 74% for blu-ray movies and 26% of hd movies. From the other forum, the blu guys argue that this is consumer choice! Yeah PS3 owners accounted for the majority of the share, with 8 million consoles installed compare to hd players 1 million, of course it looks like a customer choice but I say Its crap! I strongly believe it’s the industry choice and not consumer choice.

The industry chose blu because it is potentially more profit compare to hd. Its all about money to them. Just look at the blu player price, the blu association put a minimum of 399 and new players are 499, 599 and up. Who in the right mind doesn’t look that as profit!? Compare to Toshiba 149, 199. Less profit! Not to mention free movies to throw in. Even less profit or no profit at all. I’m very upset at Toshiba with their sucky strategy! Their throwing us cheap players and free movies but now we can’t rent anywhere! Yes we can still rent from blockbuster or Netflix but it takes forever to get the movies we want. Oh we can buy movies, that’s right! My buddy who owns the sony blu player argue: look guys, I can rent from Netflix, or local block buster and Hollywood video for 6 bucks each, 4 movies close to 25 bucks but now we can only get 1 movie for that money since we need to buy now. Hey their still lots of buy one get one free offer at amazon or other places, yeah those are old movies that we already own or watch! Where’s the new movies? See the new release titles from the studios and see if the movies you want to watch is there in the list. No their not there. Yeah I watch 2001 space odyssey and its cool with the glory colors but that kind of movies I will not watch again or neither my friends or family will enjoy it when I play it at home, it’s old movie and boring, honestly my buddy had a good point.

And how about the incomplete profiles? Yeah so we agree that that is also business for the industries. We believe the blu association intentionally made the profiles unfinished because its money and money. They releases profile 1.0 and the companies made 1.0 players. They finalized 1.1 and more companies made new models that support 1.1. They will finalize 2.0 by the end of this year, more likely by thanksgiving or xmas so the companies can jump into the biggest sale momentum of the year and released newest model that support 2.0 and more money for them! And what’s the 1.0 and 1.1 owners can do if they realized that it wont play? Oh it will play the main movie but not the full glory of PIP or BD Live. Take that! But what did my blu buddy said: hehe I bought my sony bluray at costco and I can return and exchange with 2.0 player anytime! Take that! I sit silently and so does my hd buddies. Lucky you, sucky us!

Okay so we were cooling down and discuss things more calmly. The blu camp strategy is pretty good obviously. Or they have more money for their PR. They approach the studios, they approach the corporate, the approach retailers and rentals. Everyone. And yeah they offer their products (although unfinished or intentionally unfinished). That’s money for the industries. They offer burners and I think it’s 4 th generation now with 6x burner. The hardware industries responded their offers, they made the unfinished profiles, the burners, the blanks media and all. More money to them. But they are still expensive to us!! But what did our dear Toshiba do? Nothing! I’m mad Toshiba didn’t have good strategy instead slashing the player price in half and offer free movies. Yeah they want customers like us to get into hidef cheaper but then what? They didn’t approach corporate and industry and studios, they didn’t release any hddvd burners, they lack blank hddvd media. Setting players price that low is not welcome by the industries and companies and retailers. The industries are not interested in investing their money with low profit! Wasting their research and engineering departments. Yeah? No, they should be aware if more players sold then it means more install base and more movies will be sold. But again we can argue that only affects one industry (the studios) but the hardware industries have no profit on the players, burners and media and so do the retailers like bestbuy and with no burners there is no infrastructure support. Damn Toshiba why they didn’t see this coming and instead focusing only on one thing, cutting the price of players but don’t realize at the end it will hurt us. They don’t have enough PR reps or what? Oh and bestbuy announcement, that they still selling hd but recommends blu? It’s just a big diplomacy of saying we support blu. They don’t get profit by selling hd players, more money selling blu players!

So lunch break was over but we had a bit time to sneak and we saw ebay still sells A3, A30 and all others for a good price. I’m not a fanatic supporter and trying to be reasonable and accept the truth if it is the truth. With no Netflix and less studio and retailer supports I don’t see that I can get the movies I want unless I watch it on standard dvd. I just want to be able to watch in hidef like others on my 40 inch lcd. I don’t mind losing 10 or 20 bucks on ebay and throwing free movies they are still sealed. I have more than 15 other movies some are still sealed thanks to the amazon deals and that would be around 250-300 net total I hope after ebay fees and all. What would you guys do? Ebay everything and get a blu player at costco with the money from ebay? Again I’m not a fanatic supporter, just an average guy trying to save my hard earned cash from being obsolete while the time is still right. I don’t make 6 digits like the fortunate guys so the budget is tight. Yeah I love my hd movies but I think I can live without my transformers and kingkong for a while lol. I watched them a couple of times and have them in dvds anyways if that matters. And I also have an dvd player that upscale well. What would you guys do honestly? And thanks for listening.

Welcome to CDF's:

wow long post but yeah i did read it. No so far no one is throwing stones here yet. Most of us have been here awhile helping each other with drives and media etc...

I have a rental store that carries both formats and to be honest i haven't seen any of them more rented than the other. I asked the manager which i know pretty good and he said it's about half and half and he was going to get a HD-DVD player. I discussed with him the differences that i knew of and he still said he was going HD-DVD as they are cheaper and look as good if not better than Blu-ray.

What am i going to do? Just like i said i'm staying with what i have.

And as i said most of the people in this thread have both formats to cover their rear end or for whatever reason and very few of us have one. So welcome to the minority

Welcome to the CDFreaks Forum hdseeker, as Bob said rightly if have and sticking with HD players put you in minority then you can count on me that I will be on and instead of depressed I am and will be happy that I enjoy viewing the top quality picture from my HD player without investing lot of money like you have to pay for blue. So we enjoying the best with may be only %25 of price of blue. Let enjoy it and have happy viewing with it.

Sounds like you got a dud. You had trouble with CD's as well if I remember. Does the new one work better with Cd's?

Thanks for the replies Bob and Tcas. Interesting that you have a local rental, I bet it's not hollywood or blockbuster. Can you get the manager to find you good movies and reserve them for you? Very fortunate!

Well well, just read the news from hollywood reporter that their sources tell our dear toshiba will drop hd dvd. I guess I will have to be quick before everyone selling their players. I invested around 300+ bucks on the player and hd movies in the past 6 weeks and hope that I don't loose a lot. Even if I loose a bit Ill consider it as entertainment budget like you go to theaters and pay tickets. Oh well...

hdseeker; Believe me if ever that happen will take another 2-3 year before the market face the single format player. Meanwhile we will enjoy the best quality picture view plus the advantage of upconverting of HD player which blue lacks so far. So even @ worse case scenario you have player that convert all DVD movies for the near quality of HD.

Meanwhile regardless of What Blockbuster & Netflix not carrying HD movie you can find plenty almost majority of HD format movies for rental at regular price @ "Hollywood Video".

Every Blu-ray player supports upconversion of DVDs. I have Sony BDP-S300 and it does 1080p over HDMI and 1080i over Component.

I have not got a chance to try it yet but the first thing I did to update its firmware to 2.0 which gone very smooth and flawlessly.