Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD - Page 5 - Club CDFreaks

Waethorn · 28-06-2006

What if when you buy a movie on disc, it comes with a download code good for 2 free downloads of the movie from the internet? Would that be a satisfactory fulfillment of that requirement? Consider that an amendment to the "constitution".

Other than that, what do think about all this? Do you think it's acceptable considering all the points? I'd really like to hear from you!

*ExpertTech* · 20-10-2006

Some points in your commandments..in comparison to the two emerging standards...

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Originally Posted by Waethorn

II) Hollywood video discs shall not be playable in a PC. The industry shall not build video disc PC drives.

Umm..Difficult thingy...for folks like me who's never interested in buying standalones (my computer is the centre of all my entertainment)....there have to be computer drives that can read hollywood videos on PCs. Being able to Decrypt them or not is another story.

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III) Video discs and data discs will be large and equal in storage size to appease all.

Doesnt this contradict point [i]? We know these two formats have varying capacities. Or did you mean something else?

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V) Copies of copies can NEVER be made in the video player. Copies can only be made from a master video disc.
VIII) A master video disc can make a backup copy on any video disc player.

Dont quite understand this..(assuming) as long as there's computer equipment, copies could be made. Thsi goes back to the argument that consumers should be able to make copies for private use. Are you comparing with standalone DVD recorders?

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IX) Rental video discs may never be copied.

How do you define 'rentals'? And hwo are they different from discs purchased?

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X) Both disc formats must have an extra scratch guard layer.

TDK BR media is supposed to have this. Not sure about HD DVD but it can definitely be done as its a cosmetic thing.

kamuixtv · 06-11-2006

If ps3 wins...blu-ray videos (not recordables) might win.

Bobverens · 18-11-2006

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Originally Posted by somenutter

First of all anyone that says hd dvd is the way to go [removed] or they work for a company thats invested lots of money into that format and what a mistake that is.

The numbers speak for them selfs theres no need to argue about who will win lets look at it this way because it will answer a lot of if whats and maybes.

How many people do you know that own a ps2 or even how many people do you know that havent got a ps2 in their home.

The decision of this format war wont be from people like me who love high tech stuff and there are loads of us but not enough to swing this deal, the answer is children.

I know so many kids that love ps2 i guarantee that when the time is right and sony have the right games in place such as the latest wwe game those kids will bug their parents to death to get a ps3 and they will get their ps3 because theres nothing worse than a kid screaming at you to get something, and because the ps3 has a blu ray drive as standard their will be millions of blu ray players in peoples homes.

Another reason blu ray will win is anyone anyone with a bit of sense and an interest in pc/console/av tech will tell you that the more space he or she has for backing up or burning their collection of media or alike the better, and blu ray clearly is the winner in that department.

So there you go thats the answer 100 million kids will bring this format war to an end.

by the way, GO BLU RAY GO BLU RAY GO BLU RAY

I think that's a moot point, because I GUARANTEE that at least one manufacturer will be offering a DUAL FORMAT player that does both -- and at under $1000 US street price. So you can go blu ray or hd dvd...it'll be one for all!!

soneman · 18-11-2006

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Originally Posted by somenutter

The decision of this format war wont be from people like me who love high tech stuff and there are loads of us but not enough to swing this deal, the answer is children.

I know so many kids that love ps2 i guarantee that when the time is right and sony have the right games in place such as the latest wwe game those kids will bug their parents to death to get a ps3 and they will get their ps3 because theres nothing worse than a kid screaming at you to get something, and because the ps3 has a blu ray drive as standard their will be millions of blu ray players in peoples homes.

Another reason blu ray will win is anyone anyone with a bit of sense and an interest in pc/console/av tech will tell you that the more space he or she has for backing up or burning their collection of media or alike the better, and blu ray clearly is the winner in that department.

So there you go thats the answer 100 million kids will bring this format war to an end.

Don't forget that there are also millions of grown-up Playstation fans around the world:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6136344.stm

And let's also not forget that the Playstation 3 will have some pretty hefty multi-media applications built into the system. I believe that this is a deliberate move by Sony to get more "older people" to buy the console. And who knows? It might actually work.

When you compare the cost of a stand alone Blu-Ray Player which retails at around £999 and the projected cost of a Playstation 3 is around £400, then you can see why some people may go for the Playstation 3 instead of the stand alone Blu-Ray player.

But I do generally agree with you though. If Blu-Ray wins, the Playstation fans will be the ones who sold the format.

AMDCHIPTROOPER · 02-12-2006

OK well the playstation 3 has been out for awhile. I finally got my hands on one. I went ahead and picked up a few blue ray movies. Since I purchased the ps3 i been keeping track on the media war. And im getting more and more of the impression that hddvd will win. I hope im wrong but thats what it looks more like. Sony has been a disaster when it comes to getting this product out. check this out at tgdaily

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/29/en...istmas_trends/

*_chef_* · 03-12-2006

Marketing strategies will decide here between rise & fall of both formats...

j-freeze · 22-02-2007

DVD to HD or Blu Ray, isnt quite the same leap we had from VHS to DVD. That was analog tape to digital. That made sense to go out and get a DVD player and buy DVD discs and trash the old tapes, but this new jump from DVD to a "new improved" DVD..I just dont know...! When I make my next jump, it has to be big. I'll probably wait until we go from DVD to to something that doesn't even require a disc.

thefatone94 · 06-04-2007

seriously. when sony says that spider man 3 will be only for blu ray is a wrong idea
first: torrents will increase about 25%
second: sony will lose their profits on bluray because of the decision
third: 5 years ago, ppl have been using vcr until 5 years later they have adopted dvd.
blu ray on the other hand is the same. ppl will buy dvd instead because blu ray is too expensive. do you agree?

thefatone94 · 06-04-2007

sony will have to make dvd for spider man 3 because no one is going to buy it unless they have a blu ray player. which i dont. and they lose money. years ago sony made a tape like vcr. trying to make it better. they didnt succeed because it was too expensive!
well my prediction is that there will be blu ray no more! just maybe because of ps3 but in my opinion hd dvd is better because less expensive. this is the reason why they have to make both versions of dvd and hd dvd and blu ray. without it they will lose profit. it will take years to gain profit like the dvd but they will have to wait again

thefatone94 · 06-04-2007

sony makes things more expensive and making plans to win but there's always a way where sony cant win. they make so much bad choices

DOLL_8468 · 06-04-2007

Blu-ray is never going to make it. It is a idea that is kool but not practical nor cost worthy to the customer. It will fail and go away HD-DVD and the stable DVD will be here for at least another decade.
Blu-ray will fad and fast much like the stupid big laser movie disks did.
Luvs Jenni

PS They will not put out Spiderman 3 only on Blu-ray they are not that stupid

, I already today called my distributor for our stores and he said they will be getting it on DVD.

**alan1476** · 06-04-2007

I agree with you Jenni, although statictics show otherwise. LOL.

mikedever · 07-04-2007

Frankly, I don't care which of the formats wins in the market, I just want it to happen and get it over with, so the risk of buying a rapidly obsolete format is gone. Because of that I have posted a "Pledge Campaign" on YouChoose.net where you can go to vote on the format you want to win. But we'll need thousands, if not millions, of people to vote to make it meaningful. http://www.youchoose.net/pledge/blur.../from/cdfreaks

kg_evilboy · 08-04-2007

Nevertheless I prefer Blu-ray for a few reasons:
- The name
- The capacity
- The anorganic recording material
- And last but not least, the availability. While it is perfectly possible to buy a Blu-ray burner and a few BD-R or BD-RE (FUJI, Panasonic, Memorex/Panasonic, Sony, Verbatim) here even in the last Blödmarkt, it is extremely difficult to find HD-DVD burners or media in B&M stores.

soneman · 08-04-2007

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Originally Posted by kg_evilboy

Nevertheless I prefer Blu-ray for a few reasons:
- The name
- The capacity
- The anorganic recording material
- And last but not least, the availability. While it is perfectly possible to buy a Blu-ray burner and a few BD-R or BD-RE (FUJI, Panasonic, Memorex/Panasonic, Sony, Verbatim) here even in the last Blödmarkt, it is extremely difficult to find HD-DVD burners or media in B&M stores.

It's definitely the more convenient format out of the two. The problem for Blu-Ray is justifying the price.

Many consumers will be put off by the price tag. And lets face it, the average consumer considers price as more important than buying a quality product.

I heard that Betamax tapes were technologically superior than VHS tapes. But we all know what happened there.

simple · 09-04-2007

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Originally Posted by AMDCHIPTROOPER

OK well the playstation 3 has been out for awhile. I finally got my hands on one. I went ahead and picked up a few blue ray movies. Since I purchased the ps3 i been keeping track on the media war. And im getting more and more of the impression that hddvd will win. I hope im wrong but thats what it looks more like. Sony has been a disaster when it comes to getting this product out. check this out at tgdaily

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/29/en...istmas_trends/

i have compared both formats aswell, i have a XBOX HD drive and my friend as a PS3and a XBOX to be honest im not impressed by the ps3 or even more so the blu-ray but lets stick to the blu ray disscusion. am i biased nope even my blu ray buddy agrees that hd dvd looks a hell of a lot better if your using less than a 40" screen to view the formats the difference is minimal but hook them up to a projector you soon get the idea... all i want is quality so if blu ray did come out on top i would purchase a drive as we know the best formatt sometimes never makes it .

they both have some good backers and dont forget the porn industries billions are spent in this market (btw i own none) just a pointer

whatever happened to ram ? ( LOL much better than dvd 5 )

the size of the discs both blu ray and hd mean little to me after all to fill both your going to need to upgrade your hard drive space too

hd dvd gets my vote

on a viewers opinion

*TL0* · 09-04-2007

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Originally Posted by simple

am i biased nope even my blu ray buddy agrees that hd dvd looks a hell of a lot better if your using less than a 40" screen to view the formats the difference is minimal but hook them up to a projector you soon get the idea

For image quality, if a movie is encoded using the same codec, then both HD DVD/Blu-ray will look the same. Some Blu-ray releases have used MPEG-2 which resulted in it's poorer reputation for image quality. In future, nearly all releases will use VC-1/AVC and then both formats will be the same image quality, unless movie studios decide to give higher bitrate encoding to the Blu-ray release. For audio, Blu-ray's capacity allows lossless PCM which is the best audio quality currently.

Dennis_Olof · 29-07-2007

I think it is easy. The logical choise is HD-DVD and the reason for that is the standard consumer isn't going to care about storage space, features and all that crap.

Over all the picture, sound is the same on blu-ray and hd-dvd at least to the "john doe" buying a HDTV etc.

HD-DVD is a natural evolution of the DVD format, proven technology, compatible with DVD, and allso supports the old dvd format, so you could put lots of dvd's from a collection onto a hd-dvd without lots of problem. And I think that the price will come down more on the media and hardware.

As someone else said, dvd is still a big, and lots of people who where slow in getting a DVD sure ain't going to get a HD-format player. I like blu-ray but that technology should have replaced HD-DVD instead in say 20years time. Giving sony time to get blu-ray up to 300Gb per disc or something.

Or combining it with other new technology to make it worth wile to upgrade. Way to much "blabber" aboute what format is best and lots of other things. Only the "john doe" consumer is going to decide what format will win.

Simple economics.

Shadowman69 · 21-08-2007

Here is another PoW:

you know that a Professional BD maker costs a lot more than its HD DVD counterpart and is able to produce a lot LESS HD Movie per hour at twice the price.
Think about it: why spend more to produce the same product if in the near future a lot of budget standalone players (the most important) will be dual format???

The European movie firms have no money to waste and they decided to go HD DVD.
Worldwide both consumers and companies should go HD DVD if they care about their money.
Only Sony and other with specific interests should care in supporting an overpriced HD format.

HD DVD is still the best choice for all but Sony and its slaves...

28-06-2006	#81 (permalink)
Waethorn New on Forum Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 11	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD What if when you buy a movie on disc, it comes with a download code good for 2 free downloads of the movie from the internet? Would that be a satisfactory fulfillment of that requirement? Consider that an amendment to the "constitution". Other than that, what do think about all this? Do you think it's acceptable considering all the points? I'd really like to hear from you!

06-11-2006	#83 (permalink)
kamuixtv New on Forum Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 27	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD If ps3 wins...blu-ray videos (not recordables) might win. __________________ My devices: Date Acquired: Lite-On 24x 24102b 1/2002 Asus 104 (Pioneer 104) 11/2002 Liteon-On 415s (mod VS0E firmware) 1/2005 My media: DVD: Ritek ProdiscG02

02-12-2006	#86 (permalink)
AMDCHIPTROOPER New on Forum Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: usa Posts: 1	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD OK well the playstation 3 has been out for awhile. I finally got my hands on one. I went ahead and picked up a few blue ray movies. Since I purchased the ps3 i been keeping track on the media war. And im getting more and more of the impression that hddvd will win. I hope im wrong but thats what it looks more like. Sony has been a disaster when it comes to getting this product out. check this out at tgdaily http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/29/en...istmas_trends/

03-12-2006	#87 (permalink)
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22-02-2007	#88 (permalink)
j-freeze New on Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD DVD to HD or Blu Ray, isnt quite the same leap we had from VHS to DVD. That was analog tape to digital. That made sense to go out and get a DVD player and buy DVD discs and trash the old tapes, but this new jump from DVD to a "new improved" DVD..I just dont know...! When I make my next jump, it has to be big. I'll probably wait until we go from DVD to to something that doesn't even require a disc.

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06-04-2007	#89 (permalink)
thefatone94 New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD seriously. when sony says that spider man 3 will be only for blu ray is a wrong idea first: torrents will increase about 25% second: sony will lose their profits on bluray because of the decision third: 5 years ago, ppl have been using vcr until 5 years later they have adopted dvd. blu ray on the other hand is the same. ppl will buy dvd instead because blu ray is too expensive. do you agree?

06-04-2007	#90 (permalink)
thefatone94 New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD sony will have to make dvd for spider man 3 because no one is going to buy it unless they have a blu ray player. which i dont. and they lose money. years ago sony made a tape like vcr. trying to make it better. they didnt succeed because it was too expensive! well my prediction is that there will be blu ray no more! just maybe because of ps3 but in my opinion hd dvd is better because less expensive. this is the reason why they have to make both versions of dvd and hd dvd and blu ray. without it they will lose profit. it will take years to gain profit like the dvd but they will have to wait again

06-04-2007	#91 (permalink)
thefatone94 New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD sony makes things more expensive and making plans to win but there's always a way where sony cant win. they make so much bad choices

06-04-2007	#92 (permalink)
DOLL_8468 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Both on West Coast and in N.D. Posts: 175	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD Blu-ray is never going to make it. It is a idea that is kool but not practical nor cost worthy to the customer. It will fail and go away HD-DVD and the stable DVD will be here for at least another decade. Blu-ray will fad and fast much like the stupid big laser movie disks did. Luvs Jenni PS They will not put out Spiderman 3 only on Blu-ray they are not that stupid , I already today called my distributor for our stores and he said they will be getting it on DVD. __________________ Hi, Jenni Here! I am Running a, 6U P4, with 4gig ram, 4TB HDD Space 8 drives, GeForce 7950 GX2 - 1GB, Benq DW1655's BCIB, Nec 3550, Nec 2550, Pioneer 111D & 112D's, Primera Pro Bravo 2 Printers, Epson R340, R320, R220, NEW HP D5160, Canon 4200 and 4300 ; 1ClickDVD Copy, 1ClickDVD Copy Pro, AnyDVD 6.1.3.3, DVD43, SureThing4.3.0196 and other cd print programs! Networked to 4 other Computers And more!

06-04-2007	#93 (permalink)
alan1476 Moderator & Software Editor Join Date: May 2005 Location: Watching you Posts: 12,802	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD I agree with you Jenni, although statictics show otherwise. LOL. __________________ I do not provide technical support over E-mail or Private Message Please post your questions on the Forum Sign up to CD Freaks Register Here FORUM RULES Need some help ? Please use our search function first Join us on the CDFreaks Folding@Home Team! Read more here Get WinDWFlash HERE My Computer specs are HERE

07-04-2007	#94 (permalink)
mikedever New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD Frankly, I don't care which of the formats wins in the market, I just want it to happen and get it over with, so the risk of buying a rapidly obsolete format is gone. Because of that I have posted a "Pledge Campaign" on YouChoose.net where you can go to vote on the format you want to win. But we'll need thousands, if not millions, of people to vote to make it meaningful. http://www.youchoose.net/pledge/blur.../from/cdfreaks

08-04-2007	#95 (permalink)
kg_evilboy CD Freaks Boy Toy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sneaker heaven Posts: 5,327	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD Nevertheless I prefer Blu-ray for a few reasons: - The name - The capacity - The anorganic recording material - And last but not least, the availability. While it is perfectly possible to buy a Blu-ray burner and a few BD-R or BD-RE (FUJI, Panasonic, Memorex/Panasonic, Sony, Verbatim) here even in the last Blödmarkt, it is extremely difficult to find HD-DVD burners or media in B&M stores. __________________ My collection: 2x Plextor PX-716A 1.09, Lite-On SHW-16H5S @ 1635S YS0Z, Samsung TS-L632B TS01, Lite-On LTR-16101B TS0W, LG GCE-8527B 1.01 LG GSA-H10N @ H12N UJ12 (dead), BenQ DW1650 BCIC (sold) Canon Pixma iP4300 For details on my other (sneaker) collection, please PM me! (You must be into sneakers too to get your info ) Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!” Code: T6 C1 L2(s)v h d++ a- w++ c+ y+ f+ t+ k s m1- q-

29-07-2007	#99 (permalink)
Dennis_Olof CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 64	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD I think it is easy. The logical choise is HD-DVD and the reason for that is the standard consumer isn't going to care about storage space, features and all that crap. Over all the picture, sound is the same on blu-ray and hd-dvd at least to the "john doe" buying a HDTV etc. HD-DVD is a natural evolution of the DVD format, proven technology, compatible with DVD, and allso supports the old dvd format, so you could put lots of dvd's from a collection onto a hd-dvd without lots of problem. And I think that the price will come down more on the media and hardware. As someone else said, dvd is still a big, and lots of people who where slow in getting a DVD sure ain't going to get a HD-format player. I like blu-ray but that technology should have replaced HD-DVD instead in say 20years time. Giving sony time to get blu-ray up to 300Gb per disc or something. Or combining it with other new technology to make it worth wile to upgrade. Way to much "blabber" aboute what format is best and lots of other things. Only the "john doe" consumer is going to decide what format will win. Simple economics.

21-08-2007	#100 (permalink)
Shadowman69 New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13	Re: Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD Here is another PoW: you know that a Professional BD maker costs a lot more than its HD DVD counterpart and is able to produce a lot LESS HD Movie per hour at twice the price. Think about it: why spend more to produce the same product if in the near future a lot of budget standalone players (the most important) will be dual format??? The European movie firms have no money to waste and they decided to go HD DVD. Worldwide both consumers and companies should go HD DVD if they care about their money. Only Sony and other with specific interests should care in supporting an overpriced HD format. HD DVD is still the best choice for all but Sony and its slaves...

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