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Old 03-02-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Remove the black bars with fab ?

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I have a dvd, which i have cloned, to make a back up, when i played it back on my computer, there where black bars, top and bottom of picture.

I do not want this, to be a display picture, if i wish ito play it in the future, on my standerd Dvd player,

Why are these bars showing

Can i remove them, with Dvd fab, then back it up to disc with clone mode
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Re: Remove the black bars with fab ?

I suspect you are talking about converting aspect ratios, eg., converting widescreen to fullscreen, but it's not clear from your post. (Didn't you have another thread with the same problem?)
The two most common ratios are:16:9 and 4:3 respectively.

To answer your question, no, Fab cannot convert a widescreen dvd to a fullscreen dvd. DVD to Mobile has various options, but let's not go there.

This can be done with software such as VirtualDub, but doing it correctly is yet another matter. If you don't care what the movie looks like, then have at it and just hack a piece off. Personally, I wouldn't attempt it. You'd be better off and enjoy the movie much more by investing in and viewing on a widescreen monitor.
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Re: Remove the black bars with fab ?

Oh so if i play this disc on a widescreen tv, i can get rid of these black bars, by going in to widecreen mode, cool.

I was just hoping that it might not be that letter box problem, that i just read on another website.
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Re: Remove the black bars with fab ?

The problem...is that we don't know what you're viewing.

Take a look here:
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You should have aspect ratio options on your standalone player.
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So is there is there no way of telling, what my film has been shot in, there is no information on the cover it a card slip cover it just say's widescreen

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So is there is there no way of telling, what my film has been shot in, there is no information on the cover it a card slip cover it just say's widescreen
I'm confused...if it says widesceen then it's probably widescreen.
Why not just put the disc in your player and see?
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Yeah sorry about that, i was confused myself

What i meant was the ratio of the source picture, i thought widescreen as many different ratio's, and i did not want to copy a movie, if it was not a good aspect ratio, with a resulting image of poor quality, when playing it back on my Dvd player.
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Dear all,

We are working on this feature for "DVD to Mobile", and it will be available very soon, please wait.

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Oh so if i play this disc on a widescreen tv, i can get rid of these black bars, by going in to widecreen mode, cool.

I was just hoping that it might not be that letter box problem, that i just read on another website.
Hi Ice,

Before anyone gets pissed off and takes me to task on technicalities, I am trying to explain this to Ice in very simplistic terms and I will use PAL resolutions (you can convert to NTSC at leisure)

True 4:3 aspect ratio is usually stated on the covers as 4:3 and generally Fab will pick this and display this. This usually is 720 x 576 in PAL but I have seen many different variations.

A good example is "The Rolling Stones" 4 Flix set of DVD's which have a variance on every DVD. The best you can do is approximate in most cases.

Then we have "Widescreen". This is usually stated as 720 x 400 pixels resolution and will fully fill a true widescreen display. No black bands top and bottom. This is usually referred to on the covers as 1:85:1 or can be referred to as 16:9

To totally confuse the issue, we then have a group of resolutions sometimes referred to as "Anamorphic" on the covers and can be stated like 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 or even other variations.

To maintain the correct aspect ratios on these movies, the correct resolutions are in the order of 720 x 304 PAL.

As Fengtao and Ting have said, they are working on the cropping of the black bands of the bottom and top of the image but I will make one point.

These bands, because they are always black and do not change, add very little overhead to an encoded file. For example, using other encoding tools, I have cropped these from a 1.8Gb file for a saving of 50Mb overhead which is hardly worth my while.

I hope this explains this Ice and please feel free to ask any further questions on the subject.

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@GregiBoy

I'm not pissed off but never have I seen the subject so incorrectly discussed. I'm not trying to be rude here and I'm sure you're just trying to help, but really, you should ensure that the info you give out is accurate. If you want to understand ARs properly, you might like to read this and particularly this. Then, you can speak, not just with authority, but with knowledge.

@Icewarrior - ignore GregiBoy's post above. Here's the rub. Assuming a DVD is encoded in standard full D1 (720x576 PAL; 720 x 480 NTSC and these are the resolutions permitted for full D1), the black bars will be there if it is in 16:9 AND the display aspect ratio is greater than 1.78:1 (many flicks are shot in 2.35:1 for example but DVD only allows 16:9 and 4:3). This is called automatic letterboxing.

Now, if your movie is 16:9, it must have either or both of the automatic letterbox or automatic pan and scan modes selected in the IFO file. If, for some reason, you prefer to pan and scan (i.e. fill up the screen and chop some bits off left and right), you merely need to edit the movie after the rip to reflect this.

The easiest way to do this is with PgcEdit. Open the rip and position the cursor on the movie PGC. Ctrl-A and tick automatic P&S. OK and save. Now, make sure your player is set up for P&S and Bob's your uncle. The good thing about having both auto LB and auto PS ticked is that you can change your mind later, if you like. Just set your player to auto LB and it will display that way, without having to redo the backup.

EDIT: Oh, one final thing. In a 16:9 anamorphic transfer, the black bands add not one pixel to the DVD. They are added automatically on display. Only if the picture is 4:3 source picture letterboxed (i.e. really shot in 4:3 but with black bars actually encoded top and bottom to give the appearance of a 16:9 picture) will they add anything to the encode. If you find DVDs like these (most are older DVDs), you can re-encode them to true 16:9 anamorphic with DVD Rebuilder Pro (maybe Fab too, I don't know).

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Re: Remove the black bars with fab ?

Yeah thank you

I read on another website, that some guy unknown to him, had purchased, some Dvd's, in letterbox form, and he was extremely angry, because they labled it as wide screen only.

In his opion, letterbox is a poor viewing function,
so when he tried to view these movies, to his suprise, he had to blow is image up, to compensate by getting rid of these black bars on his tv set, and as a result, in poor image quality.

My main concern was that my source Dvd, could of been in this letterbox form, and having to create another, through disappointment.

Many thank's
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I'm not pissed off but never have I seen the subject so incorrectly discussed. I'm not trying to be rude here and I'm sure you're just trying to help, but really, you should ensure that the info you give out is accurate. If you want to understand ARs properly, you might like to read this and particularly this. Then, you can speak, not just with authority, but with knowledge..
Blue, I think you have misunderstood what I was saying.

You are totally correct if working with a DVD.

What I was describing was a resultant encoded AVI or MP4 file from DVD to Mobile as stated by Fengtao.
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