Fengtao,
Are there any plans to update DVDFab to clean the resultant rip so that it is DVD compliant so that programs such as DVDRebuilder can be used to re encode the DVD? Currently 4.1.0.4Beta does not do this.

Thanks for any info you can supply.

rcubedcuber

The question was trying to elicit some response from Fengtao about the reported problems people are having with re encoding DVD Fab rips.

I am well aware that it is updated frequently! So far his only response has been that it must be DVD Rebuilder's fault, which is arguable, with no details or discussion of the matter fourth coming on his part or any indication as to whether or not he is even going to address the problem. Some word one way or the other would be appreciated.

Cheers,

What are you using? The free version,Gold, or Platinum?

Registered Platimum 4.1.04 Beta. Trial version of 4.1.0.2 Platimum also had problem. The 3.1.7.5 I had success with was the free one.


rcubedcuber

As I said, this is a DVD Rebuilder problem, DVDFab outputs 100% compliant DVD-Video content.

DVD Rebuilder cannot recognize empty cell with just one navi pack, and it's easy to fix for them.

According to blutach, DVDFab has not properly cleaned the files.

Hi, I use DVDFab Plat and DVD RB all the time and have absolutly no problems!
Keep up the good work Fengtao.


Cheers Bollux

I just ripped a DVD with latest beta and DVD-RB was quite happy with it

The problem may be protection/title specific.

Have you tried using Fixvts or VOBBlanker to clean up the problem?

Yes,
If one blanks the cells that DVD Rebuilder complains about with VobBlanker, the DVD can be processed with DVD Rebuilder. FixVTS on its own will not correct the problem. RipIt4Me fixes (adjusts) the cells.

The intent with this discussion was to get someone to fix the problem so the user doesn't have to re encode twice. Even with my AMD X2 5600+ it takes about 60-90 minutes. Also with experience it may be possible to recognize the cells by looking at the DVD in VobBlanker.

rcubedcuber

Fengtao,
Thank you for a reply. I'll submit a request to DVD Rebuilder.

One other question that you haven't commented on is as I have pointed out DVDFab 3.1.7.5 removed the cells and produced a rip that DVD Rebuilder was happy with. What has changed in DVD Fab that this is no longer done?

Again I appreciate you taking the time to reply. Keep up the great work on a good product.

rcubedcuber

Strange that Fixvts wont work on its own, but it works with Ripit4me. I say strange because last I knew, Ripit4me was basically using Fixvts to do the "cleaning".

I used FixVTS and vobblanker, DVD Rebuilder still wouldn't/doesn't work for me.. as i said in the other thread, i give up for now, will just use DVD Shrink with quality features turned on and hope that works...

RipIt4Me had an optional final step which was Vob Cleanup after FixVTS was run. It may be that one is the one that is fixing the cells.

rcubedcuber

@ Roubed,
So, from what youve said, Vobblanker used either by itself, or as part of the Ripit4me process, works.
But Fixvts does not work in either case.
Do I understand this correctly?

Blu,
Does Ripit4me use Vobblanker. I thought it just used Fixvts to "clean".
Maybe Im no remembering everything!
But, if ri4m works, and is only using Fixvts, then it is strange that Ri4m works, but using Fixvts alone does not. Hmmm???

Jamoskeag3,
The later versions of RipIt4Me in wizard mode had a step to clean up the VOBs. If I remember correctly this was added when RipIt4Me with just FIxVTS would fail loading in Shink. I'm guessing that is what is correcting the problem. Since that step shows various numbers of Packs being removed. I don't know if that is doing other file adjustment also. Maybe I should go back and try ripping with RipIt3Me w/o the VOB clean up step and see what happens.

rcubedcuber

Sorry I really didn't answer this question. I have only had problems (experience) with Ratatouille R1. I purchased DVD Fab as a hedge against future versions of DRM. I just happen to try it against Ratatouille to see how it compared to RipIt4Me (my first choice). To date most movies I've had could be handled with RipIt4Me (wizard mode do all forms of processing, ie FixVTS, and process the VOBs).

Option 1: Use RipIt4Me with all the options (FixVTS and fixing the VOBs in wizard mode) then process the output with VobBlanker and do your normal remove the unwanted stuff etc. This output from VobBlanker can be encoded w/o problems with DVD Rebuilder. I haven't tried just doing the FixVTS step w/o VOB clean up to see if it works, it's on my list to see if it's the clean VOB step that actually fixes the problem, it could also be the skipping over bad cells in the rip step with DVDecrypter this is correcting the problem.

Option 2: Yes the rip from DVD Fab can be cleaned up by VobBlanker in preparation to feed to DVD Rebuilder.

If you don't catch or recognize all the bad cells, DVD Rebuilder will complain in phase III about "Source is Corrupt" what I refer to as bad cells, select the ignore (don't abort) option to continue encoding for each time DVDRebuilder complains. Make note of what VTS, Vob ID, and cell id are called out. Go back to VobBlanker and blank those cells in addition to what ever you did the 1st time through VobBlanker (I used the original rip from DVD Fab and repeated the removal of others unwanted stuff etc.). One might be able to simply process the DVD from the 1st pass from VobBlanker and remove the bad cells, again I wasn't in the mood to mess around at this point, besides I'd had a lot of practice with this movie.

The second pass in DVD Rebuilder with the additional blanked cells processed with VobBlanker should encode correctly.

I only had problems with Ratatouille for the moment. This method has the disadvantage of potentially taking 2x the time it would normally take to re encode with DVD Rebuilder (one pass to find bad cells, a second to do a successful rebuild). In my case 84 Source is Corrupt messages showed up in phase III - I suspect the blanking I did to remove extras may have removed some bad cells prior to the 1st pass with Rebuilder.

In DVD Rebuilder I use HC Enc 022 to do the encode, but I suspect it won't matter what encoder you use.

Some of the "bad" cells are called out multiple times by Rebuilder these show up as reused (multiple places/times) in VobBlanker. Just to be on the safe side I did the option to allow VobBlanker to build new blank cell entries for the reused ones that I had previously blanked. I had wasted enough time on the process and decided not experiment to see if blanking the reused cells just the one time is enough.

Using FixVTS alone on the rip from DVD Fab did not work. The "bad" cells need to be blanked in VobBlanker.

Additional note, other re encoders may not complain about any bad cells and be able to re encode the movie w/o having to remove "bad" cells. It apparently depends on how the re encoder handles cells with only NavPacks in them.

Good luck, I hope not, but I suspect we will see more of this DRM technique in future movie releases.

There is a long thread on the Doom9 DVD Rebuilder forum thread Error? Message when rebuilding that discusses this also.

Sorry for such a long post.

rcubedcuber

Thanks for the thorough explanation.

All,
See the other post under the DVDFab Platinum Ripped files Incompatible with other programs thread for the results of RipIt4Me w/o any cleaning operations - FixVTS or Clean Vobs.

rcubedcuber

Looks like they are trying to address your problem. Look here:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/f116/dvdfab...6-beta-233060/