Same information sent in email, posting for the edification of other users


The disc that I am having problems with is Samurai 7 Volume 4. What I am planning to do is remove the all but the first opening credits and the very last closing credits for all the episodes on the disc. The problem arises with the 2nd episode. The layout is like this

2nd Episode

01 Prologue (2 angles e/j) PGC1: c18,c19
02 Opening credits (2 angles e/j) PGC1: c20,c21
03 Episode name and number (2 angles e/j) PGC1: c22,c23
04 1/4 episode PGC1: c24
05 1/4 episode PGC1: c25
06 1/4 episode PGC1: c26
07 1/4 episode PGC1: c27
08 End credits ( 2 angles e/j) PGC1: c28,c29
09 Preview (2 angles e/j) PGC1: c30,c31
10 Character wrapup (2 angles e/j) PGC1: c32,c33

The disc uses 2 angles to show the English modified content and the original Japanese content. The layouts of each episode starting with the beginning of the second one overlap on top of the previous one as displayed in the first picture where PGC1 c12,c13 and PGC1 c18,c19 seem to be 4 angles in one block of video.

Picture 1

The first thing I want to remove is ending credits from the 1st episode. The Domain Content view shows that the 1st episodes ending credits are in VTS2 PGC1 c12,c13. However, also in the same block is VTS2 PGC1 c18,c19. This is the prologue for the second episode. Hiding the block removes c12,c13,c18 and c19.

Deleting the program + block from the PGC programs view does not reduce the size of the affected VTS2 vob files per your message on the forum The exported disc plays correctly in PowerDVD but I can not burn the content to a disc as I do not have a dual layer burner.

Picture 2

In the PGC programs view the blocks with multiple angles are displayed correctly but making any changes there will not help me reduce the size ofthe dvd to fit on a 4.7gb disc.

Picture 3

I have noticed the same layout/problem in another anime show from the same company, Desert Punk Volume 1.

The navpack file is located here

Dimad? Toaddub? I know greatness takes time but I am also anxious to get back to working on my dvd's.

I sent an email with all the information to the email address supplied above but have gotten no response or any indication about anything being recieved.

Maybe a setting under tools -> options to disable the copying/backup of deleted/hidden program blocks? This would allow me to export the disc as I desire but would not solve the weirdness on the domain content view.

I'm sure Dimad is looking into the problem. I'm also awaiting his fix on my ILVU problem relating to removing audio/subtitle tracks as well. There might be other fixes in addition to more add-ons to the debug feature, so it takes time.

I've already described the problem in post #10. The domain content view does not look correct so look in the PGC view.

This seems like a bug. But to make sure if the deleted cells are not there after you have already deleted them, just export when you have removed the opening and closing credits for all episodes except the first and last ones, and fix the chapter navigation. Reimport the exported dvd. Check to see if these credits are actually removed. What I'm puzzled is that you mention that Powerdvd plays fine (not seeing these credits), but the VTS 2 vob size is the same as the original.

What's in VTS2/PGC4? Looks like this one is not being played. You can delete it and its referenced Title and VMG Title.

Here's another thing you can try. In the Domain Content View, right-click on the ILVU MA block (c12,c13,c18,c19). Do you see the "Split interleaved cells" enabled? If it does, that's great. Split it - it will deinterleave the cells and you will see that each cell is in its own block. I can't do this with the navpack you sent. This option requires video? I see the "Strip angles" is enabled. Do it for every ILVU cells from cell 12 to cell 55. Now do the delete thing. See if the size has come down.

If the "Split interleaved cells" option is enabled, would you post picture after you deinterleaved the cells, and another one after you have removed them.

It's ok if you do not have a DL burner, just use DVDShrink, CloneDVD2, or DVD Rebuilder to compress it down to single layer.

Dimad wrote in post 23 that removing items via the program view does not remove the content. I am sure powerdvd is playing the dvd fine because the references to the chapters and such have been changed.

Nothing is there and it takes up almost no space so I left it in. The screenshots and nav packs I've posted are from an incomplete dvd trimming after all.

When right clicking over the block "split interleaved cells" is greyed out.


I suppose I could do that but the resulting video quality would be pretty wretched. If I can remove the content that I want to then no recoding/shrinking of the video needs to be done.

No, what he says is " DvdReMake will remove blocks only if they are not used anywhere else." In your case, the removed blocks are not referenced by other PGCs. Powerdvd playing fine is one thing. Would you reimport the exported dvd just to make sure the credits are no longer there - for peace of mind since you say the size is the same. There must be some content that is not removed.

I know it doesn't take up much space by looking at the screenshots. That's up to you. I generally like to make the dvd "clean" by removing unreferenced material.

I don't think removing the opening and closing credits will come down to 4.7GB from 5.2GB. If you strip angle and keep only 1 audio track, that'll probably fit. I notice you have 2 audio tracks of English and Japanese each. Do you really need 4 of them? You can just keep 2 of them. That'll help squeeze the size down.

Speaking of video quality, 5.2GB compress down to 4.7GB is not much compression. You won't notice the difference much.

Sorry for delay with update. Yes, there was a bug. Consequtive multiangle blocks were in some cases merged into one block. This will be fixed in next release.

Yay! Version 3.4.1 Fixes my problem!

Thanks!

So this fix the sizing problem as well?

Well, with version 3.41 I can hide the things I wish from the domain content pane. I have not tried, as before, removing blocks and programs from the programs pane. I will look in to this and report back.

It seems fairly obvious to me exactly what it's doing. Final Destination 3 does the same thing but A LOT more. In this case it's simple playign back the proper angles assocaited with the matching audio track. If the English Audio Track is playing the it sets the PGC to use the English Angle. They are both controlled by the value of R(15). I suspect Tracks 0 and 1 are the English 5.1 track and the commentary trakx and Track 2 in the Japanese audio track, right.