I just used DVD Rebuilder pro to rip and process TROY. The log stated there would be a 55.1% deduction. Since this is my first expierience using Rebuilder I'm assuming this is the compression. I was also using Procoder 2 as the encoder with Rebuilder.

I tested out 1click just to see what kind of compression it would use with the same "just movie" option. 1click tells me that it would only use 38% compression. I know that 1click is a transcoder and Rebuiler uses an encoder but that is quite a bit of difference in compression. I purposly used a long running title like TROY because I was interested in the kind of picture quality I might get using Rebuilder. My question goes out to you cdfreaks: Why the difference in compression between 1click and Rebuilder? 1click with less and Rebuilder with more.

I have had several movies that do exactly what you are talking about. Alot of the time i have found, the difference in compression has to do with interleaved or multiangled disks. Most of the time there is around 1 gig or so of interleaved angles that to my knowledge rebuilder cannot take out (only compress). 1 click does however take these angles out. What i have found as a solution is to use 1 click to rip the files to the hard drive in a dvd 9 format this will bypass the transcoder and destroy those pesky anlges. Then you can run the ripped movie through rebuilder. I have done a few movies this way(as a last resort) and i dont notice any quality loss on my 42" hd tv.

PS: this is not with all movies just a select few.

Thank you for your response. I now feal clear on the reason for compression differences. I do not have 1click pro. I own version 4.2.9.1 but it does however support dual layer media. Do I need the Pro version to use the technique you discussed?

I have never used the regular 1 click only the pro version so i cant be 100% sure, but from the screen shots and the program description on lg softwares info page it should be able to take out the angles with no problem. All you should need to do is make a movie only copy and set the destination to a hard drive folder, and check the dual layer button. This should work, but if it doesnt all you have to do is delete the folder and try again.

PS: If you make a full disk backup I am pretty sure that it will back up everything including all angles and interleaved parts. So it needs to be a movie only

Keep Me posted and and let me know if it works.

Cwrightthruya

Also i just thought of something. You have to manually take out the language files that you do not want in rebuilder. This is not difficult, but each file can be as big as 500mb. That also may be a contributing factor in the compression difference. So you might want to try taking out extra audio files as well.

Dang, I don't think my 1click can exclusively rip to hard-drive. After copying, 1click always promps for blank media and when finished automatically deletes temp VOB's. Is there another way to get rid of those angles you spoke of? I don't have DVD Decryptor but maybe this application can get rid of angles when ripping to hard drive?

To be truthful i have never used decryptor so i cant say anything about it or what it is capable of (Apologies). I downloaded the trial of the regular one click to see if i can get it to work. In the options menu it has a place to set the destination files. You should be able to choose the hard drive folder from there. Im going to run and try it really quick to see if i can get it to work.

I got it to work, so we know its possible. I also used a multi angled dvd and it striped away the angles perfectly. So it will do what you need it to. All you will need to do is go into the options and set the destination up to a hard drive file. Once it is complete it will tell you where the files have been copied to. It should not say anything about deleting temp files or anything of that nature. Good luck and give it another try. If it still doesnt work we will do some more trouble shooting.

Okay, I did check the DL box but that's it because I just want the movie. I just ignored 1clicks prompt for media and just shut everything else out. I then started DVD ReBuilder pro and opened my project up. After starting up the process the log once again said "angle and interleaving present" and again set me up with a 55.1% "deduction". I thought 1click was supposed to strip the angles and interleaving. Perhaps I should have just let 1click prepare a 38% compression for dvd-5 and not dual layer. I could then use these files for use in ReBuilder. However, doesn't this defeat the job of high quality encoding used with ReBuilder? I would essentially be using an already compressed project to be encoded. Isn't this taking the quality out of the whole thing?

The best way to get a movie onto your HDD without NO picture loss is to use DVDDecrypter (free) in file mode while having anydvd running in the background or alternatively you can use dvdfab decrypter which is also free to break the movie encryption and put the whole movie onto your HDD again with no picture loss.

I would not advise using 1click to rip the movie to your HDD as you will compromise picture quality.

If you take my advice about using dvddecrypter let me now and I will tell you how to set it up properly.

This is my method:

1) start Anydvd
2) start dvddecrypter and put the whole movie onto my HDD
3) open dvd rebuilder pro and locate movie
4) select what encoder I wish to use (normally Procoder 2)
5) I select output to iso
6) select if you want to do movie only or whole movie etc..
7) then back up

Any questions just ask

Download lnks (both free progs)

DVDDecrypter
DVDFab decrypter


EDIT: The reason why there is a big difference in the compression is because the default seetings for rebuilder is set to 4300mb while 1click is set to 4460mb? That is why the compression ratio is so different.

I wonder why ReBuilder's default is for 4300mb? There is like a 17.1% compression difference between ReBuilder and 1click. I watched TROY a little over halfway through on my tv and the quality is pretty good for ReBuilder's 55.1% deduction. No grainy look or artifacts that I can tell. I need to check it out on my moms 42" HD widescreen to know for sure. I wonder what it would look like on 1click's 38% though?

Oh yah, No.1 Gangster, can you take foreign languages out before trying to compress on ReBuilder? This would mean a little less compression, no? I will try Decryptor next time I use ReBuilder. Last time I just ripped directly from my DVD drive, using my drive (DVD) as the source file.

I am currenly using Procoder2 with ReBuilder pro and of course I have AnyDVD. I will continue to use 1click for movies that don't need too much
compression.

Isn't ReBuilder best suited for longer movies and action movies? This has been my impression from others on this forum. Supreme picture quality over a transcoder right?

Hi

even though rebuilder might only be 4300mb you can change this in the ini file.

To get rid of all languages you dont want click on settings then set up and you will have the option to select what languages you want

Procoder 2 is the best Encoder around IMO and is suitable for any movie especially low bitrate movies.

I use Nero Recode2 for movies that have upto 15% (85%) compression and all else is put through rebuilder.

You can not beat Encoders Procoder 2 / CCE for picture quality they beat transcoders hands down.

Make sure you use mastering quality for the best possible picture.

One more question (I think). Why do you set iso as your output file? Is there any advantage in doing this?

I use anydvd with nero re-encode. I did use Icopydvdstoo for awhile but I like nero better coz I been using it since it came out. My only complaint is that there are some errors with Nero 7, things not showing up ext. So I have to switch back and forth.

Just my own preference, I use imgburn (free) to burn it straight to a disc.

Hey No.1 Gangster. Could you do me a favor and scoot on over to the CD and DVD Burning Software section of this forum? I Posted a question regarding DVD-RB and Procoder 2. Worked fine the first time. But now I'm having problems.

I have answered you question in the CD and DVD burning software section

Any more probs just let me know and I will do my best to help you

If you already have AnyDvd it has a ripper that can rip the whole movie to a hard drive folder while removing the encryption.

Thanks TPLATZ, yes I did know Anydvd has a ripper function but I have been using this method for a long time and have never encountered any problems.

A suggestion if you wish to pre-process a long movie for optimal compression in DVDrebuilder is to load the movie into DVDshrink, set output to DVD9 and then you can use the re-author option to remove all unneccessary parts from the movie like alternative angles, subtitles, audio tracks. This has the benefit of removing such options from the final DVD also so they will not show as options. This only applies to 'Main Movie Only' option in DVDrebuilder.

Of course, if you wish to use greater customization, DVDremake or Vobblanker is the next option for pre-processing.

Using shrink is not a very good idea and not recommended as alot of people are uncertain if shrink alters the final output.

Usind dvd decrypter, anydvd ripper function, and dvdfab decrypter are the best programes to use as no quality will compromised.

How does DVDshrink alter output? Are you talking about the DVD navigation structure or just the video quality?

My own testing on unencrypted DVD-video processed using DVDshrink to Main movie only compared to a Main movie only rip using DVDDecrypter showed no difference to the video files. I ran an MD5/CRC32 comparison on the resulting files, so I am confident in DVDshrink's ability to output untouched video when used for the purpose of pre-processing.

I am going by what I have read by the mods and other members in other forums. (afterdawn, digital video, and doom9)

By ripping the movie onto my HDD my way using dvd decrypter I know that there will be no loss of quality as it does not alter the dvd in any way.

Well in this case, I would recommend some personal testing, as I don't believe it is true if people are complaining about the video being altered. For the navigation structure, that I have read, but for DVD-video discs, it's harder to check such things easily.

Like I said people just dont know if shrink alters the dvd when being put onto your HDD, that is why people use (free) tools like dvd decrypter and dvdfab decrypter to put the dvd's on your HDD as it is well known that these progs do not alter the original dvd files in any way.