Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash - Club CDFreaks

ScorpioSoft · 06-01-2006

I own the Nec 4551 Labelflash and Benq 1625 Lightscribe drives. I performed a small review with both label techniques. The review can be found overhere: http://www.micheldeboer.nl/flash-light/

zArt · 06-01-2006

Hey man, just what i was looking for!
Thanks man

Cya

bensat · 06-01-2006

great - many thanks

sonoluca · 07-01-2006

i still prefer lightscribe because of verbatim/mcc media - ritek

edit: could you please post some scan of RITEKF1?

*qwakrz* · 07-01-2006

Well, bang goes the "Lableflash lables a disc in 7 mins" theory. Looks like it was marketing for "7 mins at lableflash worst quality v 30 mins at best for lightscribe" so there is now no time difference (until lightscribe v2 is out with the new media)

Personally I dont like either as nothing can really beat a good printer and printable discs & yes I have just bought a lightscribe drive. I only find it good if I cant be bothered to get the printer setup to just put a small bit of txt on a disc.

One question. I know lightscribe makes the disc darker where it burns the disc, it looks like lableflash actually makes the disc lighter where it burns through (burns away the dye to a clear finish). Correct?

*zebadee* · 07-01-2006

Hi

Good to see someone doing a practical comparison. Short & sweet. Nice.

Still doesn't do it for me though. (just too mean having bought a box of sharpies).

Maddino · 07-01-2006

What about the time needed for labeling via labelflash?

*Sportfish* · 07-01-2006

Very nice job Scorp. Thanks.

**zevia** · 07-01-2006

ScorpioSoft: Thanks for the informative review. It IS going to help us answering some questions that have been around for a while.

Would you be able to show us some screenshot of Labelflash on the data side? Thanks.

*Bob* · 07-01-2006

Thanks for taking the time ScorpioSoft. Nice small review you made there.

*_chef_* · 07-01-2006

That's nice!!

Is it true that LS burners can burn to LS media ONLY (eg. not onl the data side like with LF)?

*_chef_* · 07-01-2006

zevia, check out the "First look at LabelFlash" article.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/249

Data side: http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/249/5

*Corbus* · 07-01-2006

I think labelflash drives (for now NEC 3551&4551) is more interesting since for labeling on data-side they don't need special media... they write on every dvd-disc, don't they?

motorcycle · 07-01-2006

Quote:

I think labelflash drives (for now NEC 3551&4551) is more interesting since for labeling on data-side they don't need special media... they write on every dvd-disc, don't they?

Yes, but only if there is some free space (without data), so that is not really an option.

ScorpioSoft · 07-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddino

What about the time needed for labeling via labelflash?

They are almost the same as with Lightscribe

Quote:

Originally Posted by _chef_

Is it true that LS burners can burn to LS media ONLY (eg. not onl the data side like with LF)?

Correct.

*ItalianJob* · 07-01-2006

Since your BenQ 1625 seems to have problems with latest lightscribe host engine and you use 1.0, I think your commentary on LS contrast is a bit fast...

Two passes (24min x 2) better quality on my LG 4166 with 1.4.56.1 LS engine :

on a verbatim CD 52X LS.

ScorpioSoft · 07-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItalianJob

Since your BenQ 1625 seems to have problems with latest lightscribe host engine and you use 1.0, I think your commentary on LS contrast is a bit fast...

In the past I never found any quality difference between the Lightscribes driver versions. My commentary on the LS media was not that bad at all I believe

You can only test if you used that same picture (RW) on a Labelflash media and compare the two next to eachother..

I prefer the LS right now because it is not that shiny as the LF.

*MacClipper* · 07-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpioSoft

I prefer the LS right now because it is not that shiny as the LF.

Good job but what a disappointment with regards both labelling speed and aesthetic quality of LF.

degas · 07-01-2006

Nice test!
A question though: Does LF media have to be blue? It just seems easier to read from a lighter painted surface (like the LS for example).

*Sportfish* · 07-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by motorcycle

Yes, but only if there is some free space (without data), so that is not really an option.

It would be if your using TY unbranded media wouldn't it?

ScorpioSoft · 07-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by degas

Nice test!
A question though: Does LF media have to be blue?

Fot now there is only blue LF media. In the press release they mentioned also other colors but they are not on the market yet.

**alan1476** · 07-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportfish

It would be if your using TY unbranded media wouldn't it?

I didn't think there was unbranded Lightscribe media.

*Corbus* · 07-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportfish

It would be if your using TY unbranded media wouldn't it?

You got point! Lots of good media tends to be harmed by manipulation on the outer tracks (over 4G point) so better use external 10% of left space for "personalising" discs.

Beside this not everybody here burns movies on DVD media, but also various data, so they can use some leftover space to label their media.

*Sportfish* · 07-01-2006

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Originally Posted by alan1476

I didn't think there was unbranded Lightscribe media.

Talken label flash Bro.

*ItalianJob* · 07-01-2006

Look the cfreaks news for LS 1.2 : new 16X medium (MCC003=>004 ?), new background colors, and speed improvment via firmware update : cool, no need to buy another LS drive...
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12918

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ScorpioSoft VSO Dutch Translator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The LowLands (.nl) Posts: 1,932	Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> I own the Nec 4551 Labelflash and Benq 1625 Lightscribe drives. I performed a small review with both label techniques. The review can be found overhere: http://www.micheldeboer.nl/flash-light/ __________________ NEC Optiarc AD-7173A (Labelflash) 1.M1 firmware BENQ DW1625 (Lightscribe) BBIA firmware Windows Vista Ultimate, Asus K8V SE Deluxe, AMD 64 3400+, 2GB memory, 2x BenQ 19" TFT screens, HD size in total 960GB, Thermaltake Armor case Download (almost) all NEC firmware on my site: http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware * Not anymore!* Download CopyToDVD burning software on http://www.vso-software.fr

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zArt CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Oporto, Portugal Posts: 90	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash Hey man, just what i was looking for! Thanks man Cya

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bensat CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 87	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash great - many thanks

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sonoluca CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: czech republic Posts: 273	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash i still prefer lightscribe because of verbatim/mcc media - ritek edit: could you please post some scan of RITEKF1? __________________ BenQ DW1640 BSLB LG GSA-4163B A106 Pionner DVR-112 1.09

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qwakrz CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 855	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash Well, bang goes the "Lableflash lables a disc in 7 mins" theory. Looks like it was marketing for "7 mins at lableflash worst quality v 30 mins at best for lightscribe" so there is now no time difference (until lightscribe v2 is out with the new media) Personally I dont like either as nothing can really beat a good printer and printable discs & yes I have just bought a lightscribe drive. I only find it good if I cant be bothered to get the printer setup to just put a small bit of txt on a disc. One question. I know lightscribe makes the disc darker where it burns the disc, it looks like lableflash actually makes the disc lighter where it burns through (burns away the dye to a clear finish). Correct? __________________ Current Setup Corsair 750W Core 2 Quad Q6700 @ 3.33GHz (333x10) Swiftech H20 Ultra+ Watercooling CoolerMaster Tsunami Dream Case 6GB PC6400 DDR2 RAM @ 4-4-4-15 800MHz (2x2 + 2x1) Asus P5K Deluxe 8800GTS @ 800/2000/1000 + Water block 19" BenQ 4:3 TFT 19" Hannson 16:9 TFT BenQ 1655 Lite-on 20A1S LG BD-R/HDDVD Samsung 750GB x 3 Raid 5 Logitech G15 Keyboard iPhone 3G 16GB Archos 560 Please dont PM me directly with your problems..... Thats what these forums are for.

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zebadee CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hiding in backwater. Posts: 5,051	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash Hi Good to see someone doing a practical comparison. Short & sweet. Nice. Still doesn't do it for me though. (just too mean having bought a box of sharpies).

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Maddino New on Forum Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bavaria/Germany Posts: 20	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash What about the time needed for labeling via labelflash?

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Sportfish CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Land of 10,000 + Lakes U.S.A. Posts: 2,366	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash Very nice job Scorp. Thanks. __________________ Lil Burnit's Cyber Godfather #1 Machine = PowerSpec E360, Intel Quad 2 Core Q6600 Processor, 4g Corsair 667Mhz DDR2 Ram, nVidia 8500GT Vidio Card, Samsung SH-S183L, SH-S203N, BenQ 1620 & 1650 DVD Burners and looking for 1 more to fill her up, 1 TB Hardrive = 2 WD 500g HD's set up in Raid 0, Epson CX9400 printer, Running XP Pro. #2 Machine Hp Pavilion a367c,P4 2.8, Internal 320G WD HDD,2 160G Seagate & 1 120G Seagate Ext. HDD. 1G PC3200 Ram, Win XP Home SP2,(2)- NEC 3500a with LD_V2_Beta_8 & LD_V1_4_Final FW,BenQ 1620 vB7V9 F/W for now, BenQ 1650 vBCHC, Liteon SOHW-1633-S DVD RW BS41 FW, Ext. Stock HP DVD-Rom, Ben-Q 19" LCD FP951, Epson R300 Photo Printer, Epson Stylus C84, Epson CX5800F.

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zevia Admin & Review Coordinator N.America Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 9,376	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash ScorpioSoft: Thanks for the informative review. It IS going to help us answering some questions that have been around for a while. Would you be able to show us some screenshot of Labelflash on the data side? Thanks. __________________ Click here to join CDFreaks.com Join CDFreaks Distributed Computing Team, have fun while helping to save some lives! My review PC & Specs & Media Blu-ray to DVD guide Forum Rules \| Blu-ray UDF Driver BenQ/Philips FAQ and tools: BQFlasher, MCSE, WOPC Tool, WinDWFlash LG GGW-H10N Blu-ray/HD-DVD \| LG GBW-H10N Blu-ray \| Panasonic SW-5582 Blu-ray

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_chef_ CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: @FX labs .de ...watching [Benders.Big.Score] [Tripping.The.Rift.The.Movie] Posts: 23,944	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash That's nice!! Is it true that LS burners can burn to LS media ONLY (eg. not onl the data side like with LF)? __________________ Started with burning capable optical drives (CD-R) in 1997. Bought optical drives from AOpen, HP, LiteOn, NEC, Philips, Pioneer, Plextor, Ricoh, Samsung, Sanyo, Toshiba and Yamaha. *'Things are now in motion that cannot be undone.' [Gandalf, LoTR]* Enable DMA with micrAp$0ft Enable DMA free at your will busTRACE => Upper/Lower Filters Util DevCon *HOW TO ... Delete the Upper & Lower Filters!* If you expect help then please start by using the powerful SEARCH.

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_chef_ CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: @FX labs .de ...watching [Benders.Big.Score] [Tripping.The.Rift.The.Movie] Posts: 23,944	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash zevia, check out the "First look at LabelFlash" article. http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/249 Data side: http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/249/5 __________________ Started with burning capable optical drives (CD-R) in 1997. Bought optical drives from AOpen, HP, LiteOn, NEC, Philips, Pioneer, Plextor, Ricoh, Samsung, Sanyo, Toshiba and Yamaha. *'Things are now in motion that cannot be undone.' [Gandalf, LoTR]* Enable DMA with micrAp$0ft Enable DMA free at your will busTRACE => Upper/Lower Filters Util DevCon *HOW TO ... Delete the Upper & Lower Filters!* If you expect help then please start by using the powerful SEARCH.

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Corbus CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 708	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash I think labelflash drives (for now NEC 3551&4551) is more interesting since for labeling on data-side they don't need special media... they write on every dvd-disc, don't they? __________________ Burning on Benq 1655, Plextor 760A Previous burners: Plextor 712, 755, Pioneer 107,8,9,10,11, LG 4080,4163,H10,H22, NEC 1100,2550,3520, Sony DWQ120, AWG170A, LiteOn 165p6s + 18A1H and a slim AOpen 8424

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ItalianJob CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: France Posts: 898	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash Since your BenQ 1625 seems to have problems with latest lightscribe host engine and you use 1.0, I think your commentary on LS contrast is a bit fast... Two passes (24min x 2) better quality on my LG 4166 with 1.4.56.1 LS engine : on a verbatim CD 52X LS.

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degas New on Forum Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash Nice test! A question though: Does LF media have to be blue? It just seems easier to read from a lighter painted surface (like the LS for example).

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ItalianJob CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: France Posts: 898	Re: Small review Lightscribe versus Labelflash Look the cfreaks news for LS 1.2 : new 16X medium (MCC003=>004 ?), new background colors, and speed improvment via firmware update : cool, no need to buy another LS drive... http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12918

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