Results & Discussion: TS-L632H and similar slim drives discussion thread - Page 3 - Club CDFreaks

misha680 · 01-09-2008

So I've successfully crossflashed my Dell D630 TSSTcorp DVD+-RW TS-L632H D200 version firmware to TSSTcorp CDDVDW SN-S082H SB01 per instructions on this thread. I use ImgBurn and I want to booktype a DVD+R DL disk as DVD-ROM, but even with the firmware update I still can't seem to do it. I tried both the manual and auto boottyping features, and in fact ImgBurn claims it _wrote_ a DVD-ROM booktyped disk but as you can see but reports that the same exact disk that was just burned disk is in fact DVD+R DL booktyped (it is the currently inserted disc).

Code:

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SN-S082H SB01 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R DL

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 3,949,120
Size: 8,087,797,760 bytes
Time: 877:36:70 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 3x, 4x

DVD±R DL Boundary Information:
L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,976,880
Changeable: No

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01  (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 3949119)
-> LeadOut  (LBA: 3949120)

Disc Control Blocks Information:
TSSTcorp TS-L632H

Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,575,967
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,173,487

Layer Information:
Layer 0 Sectors: 1,976,880 (50.06%)
Layer 1 Sectors: 1,972,240 (49.94%)

I am stumped, and need this as otherwise my DVD's seem to come out really jumpy and unwatchable on my Sylvania DVD player but play fine on my laptop (yes the original I am backing up works fine on both and is released by Universal).

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm stumped. Thank you.

EDIT: My discs are Verbatim branded if that matters.

*dakhaas* · 01-09-2008

I am stumped that you have a verbatim disc with a RITEK-S04-066 MID.

Were do you live ?

misha680 · 01-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by dakhaas

I am stumped that you have a verbatim disc with a RITEK-S04-066 MID.

Were do you live ?

BIG EDIT: Oops, they are Memorex sorry. And I live in Houston.

BTW: So I checked in Linux on dvd+rw-tools and it claims all the discs I can't view on my standalone are actually booktyped DVD-ROM, so perhaps I am unable to booktype to DVD+R DL (I tried this too but all those discs under dvd+rw-tools say DVD-ROM but under ImgBurn say DVD+R DL in booktype...). In any case I will try again manual burn setting to "Normal" booktype for DVD+R DL and let you know the results.

misha680 · 01-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by misha680

BIG EDIT: Oops, they are Memorex sorry. And I live in Houston.

BTW: So I checked in Linux on dvd+rw-tools and it claims all the discs I can't view on my standalone are actually booktyped DVD-ROM, so perhaps I am unable to booktype to DVD+R DL (I tried this too but all those discs under dvd+rw-tools say DVD-ROM but under ImgBurn say DVD+R DL in booktype...). In any case I will try again manual burn setting to "Normal" booktype for DVD+R DL and let you know the results.

Ok that had the exact same result as before, ImgBurn says DVD+R DL in booktype, dvd+rw-tools says DVD-ROM and it skips on my Sylvania DVC845E. Should I try Verbatim media or any other suggestions? I'm stumped...

Misha

*Albert* · 01-09-2008

Try Verbatim. You won't get good results with much else on a slim drive.

*dakhaas* · 01-09-2008

Waite a second. You say it skips. It's not a bad recognition or a layer break. So that means it's more likely a media issue as a booktype issue.
I would suggest trying to burn 2.4x verbatims (MKM001) (Made in singapore) at 2.4x with the DVD-Rom booktype setting.
It could be that Imgburn retrieves some low level information from disc itself which still says DVD+R DL. Have to check that it's been a long time that I used ImgBurn.

*Albert* · 01-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by dakhaas

It could be that Imgburn retrieves some low level information from disc itself which still says DVD+R DL. Have to check that it's been a long time that I used ImgBurn.

It retrieves both the physical disc type--shown under "Physical Format Information (ADIP)"-- and the book type--shown under "Physical Format Information (Last Recorded)". For example, this RITEK R03 was bitset to DVD-ROM:

Code:

LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P KL0P (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,284,064
Size: 4,677,763,072 bytes
Time: 507:36:14 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01  (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 2284063)
-> LeadOut  (LBA: 2284064)

Disc Control Blocks Information:
HL-DT-ST GSA-E40L

Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: RITEK-R03-02
Book Type: DVD+R
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: RITEK-R03-02
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,480,671
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

So I agree with you, dakhaas. Sounds like media quality.

misha680 · 02-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albert

It retrieves both the physical disc type--shown under "Physical Format Information (ADIP)"-- and the book type--shown under "Physical Format Information (Last Recorded)". For example, this RITEK R03 was bitset to DVD-ROM:

Code:

LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P KL0P (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,284,064
Size: 4,677,763,072 bytes
Time: 507:36:14 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x, 8x

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0)
-> Track 01  (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 2284063)
-> LeadOut  (LBA: 2284064)

Disc Control Blocks Information:
HL-DT-ST GSA-E40L

Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: RITEK-R03-02
Book Type: DVD+R
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: RITEK-R03-02
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,480,671
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

So I agree with you, dakhaas. Sounds like media quality.

Well so I tried a Verbatim 8x DVD+R DL disk DVD-ROM booktype unfortunately same result. And it only skips on my standalone not on my laptop's DVD player (plays perfectly). So I'm still stumped. I don't know 100% about ImgBurn for all the ones I've burned, but definitely dvd+rw-tools on linux tells me _all_ the disks I've tried burning whether DVD-ROM or DVD+R DL booktype are DVD-ROM, so perhaps I'm still having trouble booktyping, especially since _all_ work perfectly on my laptop?

Also could the recording speed be the reason a disc plays perfectly on my laptop but not on my standalone player? I could try 2.4x speed burning, right now I believe it is on MAX which can be 3x or 4x but since it plays perfectly on one...?

Thank you
Misha

*Albert* · 02-09-2008

If a disc skips during playback, it is burn quality. All booktyping does is maybe make it more compatible for you; it doesn't automatically make it burn any better.

If the drive offers 2.4x and 4x, try 2.4x this time. If that doesn't work, I really would recommend you get an external drive to burn DL media.

misha680 · 02-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albert

If a disc skips during playback, it is burn quality. All booktyping does is maybe make it more compatible for you; it doesn't automatically make it burn any better.

If the drive offers 2.4x and 4x, try 2.4x this time. If that doesn't work, I really would recommend you get an external drive to burn DL media.

Ok I will try. I still don't understand though if it's burn quality why does the burned disc play fine on the laptop? What I mean by "skipping" is basically you see a frame or a few then jumps a few seconds and this keeps repeating instead of normal playback.

Thank you
Misha

**AZImmortal** · 02-09-2008

Computer drives are typically better disc readers than standalone drives, so a disc that gives your standalone problems might play perfectly fine in your computer.

*Albert* · 02-09-2008

What AZImmortal said seems to be very true for at least my Samsung slim drive--it managed to read discs that my desktop LiteOn and LG drives couldn't read.

Your drive is probably the same way; it can read past the bad writing quality with ease.

misha680 · 02-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albert

What AZImmortal said seems to be very true for at least my Samsung slim drive--it managed to read discs that my desktop LiteOn and LG drives couldn't read.

Your drive is probably the same way; it can read past the bad writing quality with ease.

Ok thanks for the explanation guys. I really appreciate it.

So is there a difference between media rated specifically for 2.4x and higher speed media too? Right now my Verbatim media is 8x, should I get 2.4x media specifically for 2.4x burning (I think my drive supports 3x and 4x burning though only per ImgBurn).

Oh and I checked the old discs burned in ImgBurn based on the info that Albert posted about "Last Recorded" and it looks like I am getting booktype recorded correctly per ImgBurn).

Thank you
Misha

*Albert* · 02-09-2008

I am not totally certain...if you can find the 2.4x media, it might help, because it had been originally made for slower burning. The 8x media probably can't be handled as well as possible, compared to desktop drives.

You MIGHT get better results with 2.4x Verbatim DL, but I can't say for sure.

misha680 · 04-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albert

I am not totally certain...if you can find the 2.4x media, it might help, because it had been originally made for slower burning. The 8x media probably can't be handled as well as possible, compared to desktop drives.

You MIGHT get better results with 2.4x Verbatim DL, but I can't say for sure.

Well so I'm stumped I burned at 2.4x speed my verbatim (8x) DVD+R DL disk with DVD-ROM booktype, even did sector/file scan with VSO Inspector 100% Good. Same result on my standalone Sylvania player. Do you think its cheaper to buy a good standalone DVD player for my TV rather than an external drive? Any recommendations for either?

Thanks
Misha

*Albert* · 04-09-2008

Well, you have to determine that for yourself. I, personally, have found that both a switch in the playback device and the burning device have had about equal success. Now, if you can find a good player that is advertised as being able to read written discs, then go for it! Your problems could very well be solved.

Whether it would be cheaper, it's hard to say. An external drive might be cheaper in the dollars and cents, and allow you to write your discs faster [thus being cheaper time-wise]. But there's still no guarantee it will work better that way.

Since it would probably be easier to return a DVD player in-store than get a new, good, cheap DVD burner and return it [if it didn't fix the problem], I would get a new DVD player. If it fixes your problem, and you have the money in the future, I would still highly suggest you get an external DVD writer to save the lifespan of your internal drive and probably increase write quality and compatibility.

phillipcjohnson · 07-10-2008

How did you get your TS-L632H to crossflash?

**mciahel** · 07-10-2008

Hi and Welcome!

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillipcjohnson

How did you get your TS-L632H to crossflash?

all information needed is given in the FAQ (see my signature)

Note, you'll void your warranty if you crossflash.

phillipcjohnson · 08-10-2008

Do I have to have administrative access to update firmware? All I get when I run TSDNWIN is multiple TSDNWIN.exe processes running. Do I have to downgrade my fw from d500?

Finally got my ts-L632H crossed flashed. I had to extract the bin and Tsdnwin separately from the aio utility in order for the flash to work. Thanks for all the info.

**mciahel** · 08-10-2008

Hi,

nice you got it working

For those few who use forum search, I'll answer your questions

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillipcjohnson

Do I have to have administrative access to update firmware?

I'd recommend that.

Quote:

All I get when I run TSDNWIN is multiple TSDNWIN.exe processes running.

This is odd.

Never had such an issue.

Quote:

Do I have to downgrade my fw from d500?

No.

Quote:

I had to extract the bin and Tsdnwin separately from the aio utility in order for the flash to work.

Yes, this step is essential.
In case there is trouble with TSDNWIN, the SFDNWIN which comes with the Dell OEM firmware does the trick also.

Michael

01-09-2008	#42 (permalink)
dakhaas CD Freaks Media Expert Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,801	Re: TS-L632H and similar slim drives discussion thread I am stumped that you have a verbatim disc with a RITEK-S04-066 MID. Were do you live ? __________________ ---------------Queensryche OPEN----------------- Open your eyes. Just say what you want to say? Open your eyes, you see yours isn’t the only way . Open your eyes. To you everyone is blind. Open your eyes and your mind.

01-09-2008	#45 (permalink)
Albert CDFreaks 'Dogbert' Resident Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,154	Re: TS-L632H and similar slim drives discussion thread Try Verbatim. You won't get good results with much else on a slim drive. __________________ Non-members: Free yourselves! >>>>Join CD Freaks!<<<< \|\|\| Members: Glad to have ya here! Read the forum rules, use your common sense, & we'll all get along just fine. Generic Responses For Newbies 101 Generic Responses For Newbies 102 "Alcohol is a major cause of a lot of DVD problems." [Source] And you thought that it was just bad to get intoxicated. Common interest: My media stash as of 11-3-08.

01-09-2008	#46 (permalink)
dakhaas CD Freaks Media Expert Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,801	Re: TS-L632H and similar slim drives discussion thread Waite a second. You say it skips. It's not a bad recognition or a layer break. So that means it's more likely a media issue as a booktype issue. I would suggest trying to burn 2.4x verbatims (MKM001) (Made in singapore) at 2.4x with the DVD-Rom booktype setting. It could be that Imgburn retrieves some low level information from disc itself which still says DVD+R DL. Have to check that it's been a long time that I used ImgBurn. __________________ ---------------Queensryche OPEN----------------- Open your eyes. Just say what you want to say? Open your eyes, you see yours isn’t the only way . Open your eyes. To you everyone is blind. Open your eyes and your mind.

02-09-2008	#49 (permalink)
Albert CDFreaks 'Dogbert' Resident Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,154	Re: TS-L632H and similar slim drives discussion thread If a disc skips during playback, it is burn quality. All booktyping does is maybe make it more compatible for you; it doesn't automatically make it burn any better. If the drive offers 2.4x and 4x, try 2.4x this time. If that doesn't work, I really would recommend you get an external drive to burn DL media. __________________ Non-members: Free yourselves! >>>>Join CD Freaks!<<<< \|\|\| Members: Glad to have ya here! Read the forum rules, use your common sense, & we'll all get along just fine. Generic Responses For Newbies 101 Generic Responses For Newbies 102 "Alcohol is a major cause of a lot of DVD problems." [Source] And you thought that it was just bad to get intoxicated. Common interest: My media stash as of 11-3-08.

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02-09-2008	#52 (permalink)
Albert CDFreaks 'Dogbert' Resident Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,154	Re: TS-L632H and similar slim drives discussion thread What AZImmortal said seems to be very true for at least my Samsung slim drive--it managed to read discs that my desktop LiteOn and LG drives couldn't read. Your drive is probably the same way; it can read past the bad writing quality with ease. __________________ Non-members: Free yourselves! >>>>Join CD Freaks!<<<< \|\|\| Members: Glad to have ya here! Read the forum rules, use your common sense, & we'll all get along just fine. Generic Responses For Newbies 101 Generic Responses For Newbies 102 "Alcohol is a major cause of a lot of DVD problems." [Source] And you thought that it was just bad to get intoxicated. Common interest: My media stash as of 11-3-08.

02-09-2008	#54 (permalink)
Albert CDFreaks 'Dogbert' Resident Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,154	Re: TS-L632H and similar slim drives discussion thread I am not totally certain...if you can find the 2.4x media, it might help, because it had been originally made for slower burning. The 8x media probably can't be handled as well as possible, compared to desktop drives. You MIGHT get better results with 2.4x Verbatim DL, but I can't say for sure. __________________ Non-members: Free yourselves! >>>>Join CD Freaks!<<<< \|\|\| Members: Glad to have ya here! Read the forum rules, use your common sense, & we'll all get along just fine. Generic Responses For Newbies 101 Generic Responses For Newbies 102 "Alcohol is a major cause of a lot of DVD problems." [Source] And you thought that it was just bad to get intoxicated. Common interest: My media stash as of 11-3-08.

04-09-2008	#56 (permalink)
Albert CDFreaks 'Dogbert' Resident Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,154	Re: TS-L632H and similar slim drives discussion thread Well, you have to determine that for yourself. I, personally, have found that both a switch in the playback device and the burning device have had about equal success. Now, if you can find a good player that is advertised as being able to read written discs, then go for it! Your problems could very well be solved. Whether it would be cheaper, it's hard to say. An external drive might be cheaper in the dollars and cents, and allow you to write your discs faster [thus being cheaper time-wise]. But there's still no guarantee it will work better that way. Since it would probably be easier to return a DVD player in-store than get a new, good, cheap DVD burner and return it [if it didn't fix the problem], I would get a new DVD player. If it fixes your problem, and you have the money in the future, I would still highly suggest you get an external DVD writer to save the lifespan of your internal drive and probably increase write quality and compatibility. __________________ Non-members: Free yourselves! >>>>Join CD Freaks!<<<< \|\|\| Members: Glad to have ya here! Read the forum rules, use your common sense, & we'll all get along just fine. Generic Responses For Newbies 101 Generic Responses For Newbies 102 "Alcohol is a major cause of a lot of DVD problems." [Source] And you thought that it was just bad to get intoxicated. Common interest: My media stash as of 11-3-08.

07-10-2008	#57 (permalink)
phillipcjohnson New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2	Re: TS-L632 and similar slim drives discussion thread How did you get your TS-L632H to crossflash?

08-10-2008	#59 (permalink)
phillipcjohnson New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2	Do I have to have administrative access to update firmware? All I get when I run TSDNWIN is multiple TSDNWIN.exe processes running. Do I have to downgrade my fw from d500? Finally got my ts-L632H crossed flashed. I had to extract the bin and Tsdnwin separately from the aio utility in order for the flash to work. Thanks for all the info. Last edited by mciahel; 08-10-2008 at 10:20.

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