Not sure where they are coming from but tons of these being sold on ebay by a number of different people. They are selling for as cheap as $24.95 with $14.95 shipping for buy now prices and up. I think they are being sold as new but are mostly missing everything but the main unit(no manual nor remote control etc). Just thought it maybe a good chance for anyone who wants a replacement or cheap DVD recorder that likely will still work with all the old hacks. Buyer beware. The model names are the same but some like the old 5001's have no fan but most are new style with fans. So look carefully at the pictures. Yes, they are Gateway brand but are Liteon 5001's at a great price.