Just heard on tv, petrol here in Aus (east coast) is now "close to" $1.70 aud per litre. That makes it $ 6.18 usd for 1 us gallon and 82 uk pence per ltr.
Still not as expensive as your's weedougie, but dear enough for me!
The thing is, it's the same bloody petrol that was in the servo's tanks this morning when I posted our price, then $1.56aud!

I didn't know that, but if you look at the growth "over there" on google earth, with the multi-million dollar sand islands etc, you'll see what a decent profit margin can do!

Yeah I completely agree... I should have the deed to one of those islands by now.

Welcome to our little bitch session varybarry. Mate, you might have the tea-towel and sheet, but I doubt you'd have enough money to buy one!

Okay problem solved on gas prices here is a car with 1 Horse power it probably would get 200 miles to
the gallon of oats or 400 hundred miles to the bail of hay. LOL!!!!

I think this says it all.

Well said Debro

Spot-on, debro and getit29!

They make their money on everything else: Food, drinks, oil, etc

Gas is about $4.20 out here now...skyrocketing out of control
I bet it hits $5.00/gallon by june 20

I didn't mean to be critical. I didn't say it's you or the US that is self-centered. I said your [i]thinking] is. I didn't imply you are selfish or nationalist at all. Maybe it's easier to say "narrow." Anyway, you surely didn't get what I meant. (Said so after reading all of your posts by the way.)

You are saying as if the entire world economy based on oil supply were healthy and permanent. I said stop because 1. it is unhealthy and 2. the West started first so should stop first.

The US get hurt most of course if somehow the world's supply of petroleum suddenly go to the void because the US has nearly 300 million cars and consume just as much as the rest of the world combined, but it's the US also that enjoyed the most for the last 100 years or so. You chose to make your economy vulnerable to oil crisis by choosing to enjoy your lives.

It's not that I really expect any country in the West to make sacrifice, but it was just an answer to the general attitude making fun of Chinese and China and most others from Asia that simply aren't present here so cannot talk back. You overdo justifying yourselves and accusing others.

I suggest you take the blinkers off for a while Kenshin.

not to rock the boat, but $5 a gallon is damn cheap compaired to what we are paying...in Denmark we are up to $8,75 a gallon....mostly because of taxes on fuel. Does these prices changes the way we live? Nope, We still need to get to work and shopping for food...Will we change are ways? Nope...not before we have another way of doing things..Sonner or later it will be too costly to drive a car. It cost me about $20 to get to work each day..
But I still have to get to work...there´s no getting around it. We are slaves to our own needs.

There is grounds to be affraid of the Chinese by shire mass of numbers. There are 350 million people in the USA while there are 1,3 Billion in China. Just think if 1 out of 100 of those own a car?

What Im saying is that the change has to start with ourselfs. How many start the car to drive less then a mile? Why not hop on the bike? We are sorry and lazy creatures that made ourself depend on our technology...But hej, we wouldnt be were we are now with out it.

What you say is true, the boat is here to be rocked my friend, have no fear!
We here in Aus are much better off than a lot of countries, I fully understand that. How much any of us, wherever we are, have to pay is the issue. It's our governments that do or could control the price, directly or indirectly. World parity decrees that a barrel of oil costs xxxxx amount of money. We still have to, as you say, get to work etc, regardless of cost. I hope I'm not coming across as emotional here, but it seems to me that some countries are grossly overcharging their population by imposing unreasonable taxes and surcharges.

I agree..Taxes in Denmark are extreem...a liter of gas here cost 11.50 crowns...out of the 11,50 crowns, 8 crowns is taxes. Each time fuel prices increase, the Taxes increase.

11,50 crowns = $2,00 US dollar

But thses doesnt fix our problem...Taxing only put more money into the states budget. We have to not be dependen on Oil. By not being dependen on Oil, then we are not dependen on the States that produce it. We are giving a enourmous amout of power into countries that may not use that power for the greater good.

At the current exchange rate, 11.50 DKK = $ 2.38 USD

Tak du...( Thanks for the correction)

Well said brantdk, you echo the thoughts of us all.
Look, I started this thread, true, and there have now been some 1,300 people look at it. It is not my personal domain, I have no connection to any company or business etc whatsoever. I simply own a car and am not happy with the current fuel prices, same everyone else. It you're not concerned, why are you reading this? Why not go back to the 1st page and read the lot, there's only 6 pages.
Everyone looking at this topic has an opinion or comment to make...do it.
Who knows, with any luck we may actually achieve something here!
Please, make your opinion public, we don't charge, it's free!

I think that the Oil producing countries (Mostly Middle East) are using the only real means that they have to purnishing the West or mainly the USA for the war in Iraq/Iseal ect...Im sure when Bush is gone and there comes other Lawmakers to power in the US, then things will start stabiling. If the USA didnt pump so much money into the war, then maybe there would be more to the normal US citizen (Health care and so on).
Face it, the current US goverment is pretty much in unfriendly relationships with most Oil producing states.
Wasnt it also part of the plan to cripple the West economically with 9/11?

And by the way Iam a Americian. Living outside ones own country make you see it in another light.

Don't let us get too bogged down with international politics here, but let's be honest for a moment. If 9/11 had not happened, would USA have gone to war? Also, sure, America has lots of auto's, but they also have lots of oil wells!
But brantdk, I am not up on current affairs, and am out of my depth, so I cannot offer any opinion of value to you. Sorry mate, I just don't know. Perhaps someone else can jump in here?

This is only my personal opinion. I believe that if 9/11 didnt happen, then we would be in better shape for everybody. Does Oil prices have anything to do with that US troops are in the Middle East? Pretty much..

Did Bush invade Iraq for Oil? Yes..

We have a natural resource that is costing Lives and money that we are fighting over. Some countries feel it more then others in both lives and money.

But Im saying that we should take the power away from Oil producing counties and companies. If there were other methods of energy (Dont know what) then these company would produce it instead of Oil. In turn, the Oil countries would not have us all in there back pockets. No 1 country is right in this fight, so it doesnt help pointing finger on who did what.

There´s no 1 answer to this problem. Like said before in this thread, there´s no 1 country that need the same solution.

Also my opinion only..
your para 1..I agree
your para 2..I agree
your para 3..That is the problem WE don't have the resource, they do.
your para 4..and what do you think would happen if the world said "we don't want your oil anymore"?
your para 5..Yes, see previous posts.

re 9/11, what demands did they make?....none. What was their motive?......religion. Again, see previous posts
Until we, from whatever country, can overcome the belief that our religion, our way of life, our opinion or our way of doing things is the only way, then we are doomed. So far, from the time we first stood upright, we haven't managed to achieve this. I see no future for us as a species while-ever we have such a small minded, narrow view.

I see. Maybe I overreacted. I think this problem has so many solutions that to try and tackle them all at once will doom the whole exercise to failure. Tackling them separately will allow lessons to be learned and applied to the next solution or attempt. A good example of what I am talking about is using corn to make ethanol. It sure sounded like a good idea in the beginning but now we are seeing some problems from it like high food prices here in the USA and, more importantly, higher food prices for the UN and poor countries that can't afford them. Also, the amount of resources needed to produce a gallon of ethanol from corn is staggering. If we had thrown all our weight behind this technology then we would have likely squandered too much time and resources on a non-solution. Just because an ethanol model works in Brazil doesn't mean it will work here. They use sugar cane which isn't a staple food source like corn. That makes a big difference regarding its viability. IMO, for ethanol models to work here we have to develop a method that can use low grade plant material like switch grass etc.

You are leaving out the real reason for the increase in oil prices which is increasing demand. China, India, Indonesia and many other Third World countries are modernizing at a ferocious pace. They are consuming more oil every year and it will only get worse. Add to this that many oil producing countries are using more of their own production to fuel their economic growth and a shortage becomes critical. Then we throw in the USA's lack of increasing domestic production for any number of reasons and the problem of supply gets bigger still. There are plenty of Middle Eastern countries that have friendly ties with the USA. I don't see them punishing us. They are taking advantage of the free market just like we would, and do, for corn etc.