Allright, I am having some problems with this CD so let me have it. I purchased the Nero Suite for burning DVD's. It also supposedly copies CD's. I am trying to make a playable backup of my ravenshield cd2. I have read that it is safedisc 2.8 protected. I tried Nero copier and produced a coaster. I then DL'd CLoneCD 5 and used Game CD and also Game protected profiles. I produced more coasters. So, I figured maybe it is CloneCD. I Dl'd Alcohol 120. Using the Safedisc 2/3 profile. Putting the CD into my Pioneer DVR-108, and burning an image first and then burning to CD, I am still producing coasters. I am probably missing something small here but don't know what it is. What speed should I let the 108 read this disc at? What speed should I let it write at? I am just letting it go to default since it supposed to be such a fast drive but no go. Do I have to have any other boxes checked? Can anyone give me a complete setup on CLoneCD that should work? Thanks