I agree w/ you Jamos. Just FYI, the only program that can get my shanty old NEC 5700A to work with a safedisk 2.9+ backup is discjuggler(without emulation that is). I wish I had an even crappier drive to test it on though....maybe i can dig up my old hitachi 4x dvd-rom from the basement...hehe, i bet it wouldn't even be able to recognize the original....