hi cd thanks for your help with this and yesive tried to uninstall the icon and when i click on it nothing happens and i cant find it anywhere else , i did a system restore last night onnly to find out the oldest one only whent as far as the first copy of the first atempt whith neros ver.7 i had got a copy of 7 that was not compatiablewith vista i think that is were my problem stoped so i downloaded clean tool for ver 7 then looked in thregistry and all of 7 was still in the registry do you think your old ver. 7 clean tool could get rid of it unlike the new one