Well ialso use dvd flick on some things , like converting divx and so on, But you can't do all the things vision does(menus) and so on. Dvd shrink is old and out dated, was good in its day but recode is better and faster, and we all know the man that wrote shrink works for nero and writes recode.Imgburn works good on some things but is not user findly burning mixed data. And your players , well lets just say they aren't that much (Just My opions) Nero Rocks!!
Anyway have a good day today and a better one tomorrow