okay back from work.
no country for old men. pathplayer always enabled, full disc, dvd9, copy dvd video data, jump to first menu, remove pgc's, copy to ISO. open of dvd was good, copy was good, convert to ISO was good. tried to open with VLC 086b-win32, error. ISO file as source in every mode, no titles.
sending the IFO files to fengtao. im sure this will all get straightened out soon.

fengtao is good at getting us updates.
Info for drive [E:\] (DVDFab Platinum 4.1.0.2)
Drive region: 1
Disc type: Video DVD
Disc region: 1
Volume name: NOC0NNW1
Video standard: NTSC
Layer 0 size: 1936592 sectors (3782 MBytes)
Layer 1 size: 1936592 sectors (3782 MBytes)
CSS (Content Scramble System) protection is removed!
RC (Region Code) protection is removed!
RCE (Region Code Enhancement) protection is not found.
APS (Analog Protection System) protection is removed!
UOPs (User Operation Prohobitions) protection is removed!
Invalid PTTs protection is not found.
Invalid PGCIs protection is not found.
Invalid PGCs protection is not found.
Invalid TMAPs protection is not found.
Invalid CELLs protection is removed!
Invalid VOBUs protection is removed!
Fake vts 1 is removed!
Fake vts 2 is removed!
Fake vts 3 is removed!
Fake vts 8 is removed!
4 fake vts protections are removed!
Potential bad sector (vts:4 title begin:0 end:1295) is removed!
Potential bad sector (vts:4 title begin:1312 end:2735) is removed!
Potential bad sector (vts:4 title begin:2564329 end:2567064) is removed!
Potential bad sector (vts:9 title begin:0 end:186) is removed!
Potential bad sector (vts:10 title begin:185821 end:186942) is removed!
5 potential bad sector protections are removed!
Structure protection (ARccOS, RipGuard, etc.) is removed!
PathPlayer is enabled!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:2) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:3) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:4) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:5) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:6) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:7) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:8) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:9) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:4 title pgc:1 cell:10) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:5 title pgc:1 cell:1) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:5 title pgc:1 cell:2) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:5 title pgc:1 cell:3) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:9 title pgc:1 cell:1) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:10 title pgc:6 cell:1) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:10 title pgc:7 cell:1) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:10 title pgc:8 cell:1) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:10 title pgc:9 cell:1) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:10 title pgc:10 cell:1) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:10 title pgc:11 cell:1) is removed!
19 unplayable cells are removed!