I understand the problem using shrink, but the last time I tried...I used DVD Decrypter in iso mode and then tried to burn with DVDD, IMG, and even Nero. Still get bad discs. Either the menus jump and freeze, wrong titles play and my Pioneer stand alone player says its not a DVD. In case you ask...I did make sure the booktype was set ok. Thats why I'm real curious to know if using Verbatim DL gives better results for abacab234