Thanks guys! Samuri, I honestly don't know the answer to that question. DVD Cloner is a very simple one click operation. It has it's own pre-sets (no real set-up like you have with these other programs). That in part was why I liked it before and don't NOW. Some movies that have seen alot of use need a slower burning speed, which you can't adjust in DVD Cloner. Shrink is built into it, not integrated and pops up when needed and adjust the compression on it's own. You get to 5 percent and it pops up in the background and does it's thing, you really don't have alot of say in the settings. It wouldn't be so bad if I could JUST use the Shrink in the program but It's contained within the program and not in a seperate file.