Thanks, I don't have time to play with DVDfab, but I will give it a try, thanks all for all your input, something will eventually work and I know you guys don't give up, so a more reliable software or fix will be on the way, I just wont have a back up of this movie until then. If Sony goes full blown on this, then my backing days are on hold until someone upgrades DVDShrink or DVD Dycrypter. Good night all.