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TLK914 · 09-06-2005

True...but there again we run into the same issue...obviously DTS is pretty easy to find on a player audio menu or on the cloneDVD selector, and DTS is ALWAYS the movie audio, so you will know if you play the DTS and dont hear DIRECTORS VOICES, you have a soundtrack that will do the job for ya...but some players and software doesnt SUPPORT DTS, so that isnt always a good choice, plus DTS is much larger than DOlby in filespace, so crunching to fit on a single disc is better served by a smaller choice...though if you know your players all support DTS I suppose it still works for some.

HOWEVER...DOLBY gets slightly more problematic. 90% of the tyme, there are 1 or 2 dolby choices on a movie when scanned with CLoneDVD (or any other dvd scanning/copying software). USUALLY I see a 6 channel and a 2 channel on most "high quality" films with good sountracks. MOSTLY(Nothing is ever dependable with movie companies!) the 6 channel will ALMOST always be the "movie" audio, and the 2 channel dolby will be the lower quality director commentary over compressed movie audio...Thats USUALLY easy to figure out...simply always go for the 6 channel audio when available and USUALLY you will be OK and get the correct soundtrack...

The trouble comes in with movies that ARENT terribly proud of their audio transfer. If they dont HAVE a DTS or a 6 channel Dolby soundtrack, merely standard 2 channel dolby is ALL you get, then the CloneDVD selector menu(Or anyone elses) simply lists 2 or even 3 "DOLBY-2ch" audio choices to check off for selection. NOW...they look IDENTICAL...(Their text description looks like the same line repeated 2 or 3 tymes). So which is the movie sountrack, which is the Directors commentary soundtrack, and which is the cast reunion gathering soundtrack? There literally is NO WAY TO TELL ...and NO, the order they display in doesnt seem to always tell. Playing back the mvoie wont tell you which of the ones cloneDVD shows is the one that is movie or commentary (It just says DOLBY-2ch 3 times over?).

MOST of the movies, the audio choice at the top of thge available selections is the movie soundtrack. USUALLY.
However, the aforementioned STRICTLY BALLROOM, it turned out the 2nd choice was the movie track, the 1st one was the directors audio?
Why did that movie(And a couple of others?) switch the order? to piss people like me off? to be different and stylish?

We may NEVER know...alas...
All we can do is try and figure out how to deal with it.

Like I say, if there were a way to play the audio...perhaps you could circumvent licensing (I wrote a whole article on DTS licensing and DVD players finally getting DTS back at INMATRIX in the old days, so I remember how insane that stuff could get) by not USING the features? True, if you decode dolby or DTS, and play it back thru stereo speakers you must license it...not an argument. But how about if you play it back in MONO? Just decode it for the purposes of IDENTIFYING tracks? I would THINK (And I could be wrong here?)...that you arent guilty of using their licensed product...if you never actually use its feature and function(That being discreet tracked audio on multiple channels). Since for DVD backup purposes...you just wanna hear WHATS ON an audio track so you can decide if thats the track you wish to select, mono playback is very adequate for that task...and if you are playing ANY music in mono, its hard to assert that you stole DOlby or DTS property when their property licensing is based on multiple track audio playback? Though I suppose they could argue the decode process itself is at issue...however if they were to assert that, then they could already have done so for every copy software ever created sincet hey all allow the MOVING of said encoded files...which isnt any different than playing them without playing them on multi-channels...access and use laws, you must actually use an item to be guilty of illegal use. the possibility of use does not constitute a crime.

ahhh...I do miss lawschool...

Anyways...something to think about...as always Olli...a pleasure.

Kelly
TLK914 - Former DVD software reviewer still looking for a new gig!

09-06-2005	#3 (permalink)
TLK914 New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 26	Re: CloneDVD DVD-9 audio selection issue to DVD-r True...but there again we run into the same issue...obviously DTS is pretty easy to find on a player audio menu or on the cloneDVD selector, and DTS is ALWAYS the movie audio, so you will know if you play the DTS and dont hear DIRECTORS VOICES, you have a soundtrack that will do the job for ya...but some players and software doesnt SUPPORT DTS, so that isnt always a good choice, plus DTS is much larger than DOlby in filespace, so crunching to fit on a single disc is better served by a smaller choice...though if you know your players all support DTS I suppose it still works for some. HOWEVER...DOLBY gets slightly more problematic. 90% of the tyme, there are 1 or 2 dolby choices on a movie when scanned with CLoneDVD (or any other dvd scanning/copying software). USUALLY I see a 6 channel and a 2 channel on most "high quality" films with good sountracks. MOSTLY(Nothing is ever dependable with movie companies!) the 6 channel will ALMOST always be the "movie" audio, and the 2 channel dolby will be the lower quality director commentary over compressed movie audio...Thats USUALLY easy to figure out...simply always go for the 6 channel audio when available and USUALLY you will be OK and get the correct soundtrack... The trouble comes in with movies that ARENT terribly proud of their audio transfer. If they dont HAVE a DTS or a 6 channel Dolby soundtrack, merely standard 2 channel dolby is ALL you get, then the CloneDVD selector menu(Or anyone elses) simply lists 2 or even 3 "DOLBY-2ch" audio choices to check off for selection. NOW...they look IDENTICAL...(Their text description looks like the same line repeated 2 or 3 tymes). So which is the movie sountrack, which is the Directors commentary soundtrack, and which is the cast reunion gathering soundtrack? There literally is NO WAY TO TELL ...and NO, the order they display in doesnt seem to always tell. Playing back the mvoie wont tell you which of the ones cloneDVD shows is the one that is movie or commentary (It just says DOLBY-2ch 3 times over?). MOST of the movies, the audio choice at the top of thge available selections is the movie soundtrack. USUALLY. However, the aforementioned STRICTLY BALLROOM, it turned out the 2nd choice was the movie track, the 1st one was the directors audio? Why did that movie(And a couple of others?) switch the order? to piss people like me off? to be different and stylish? We may NEVER know...alas... All we can do is try and figure out how to deal with it. Like I say, if there were a way to play the audio...perhaps you could circumvent licensing (I wrote a whole article on DTS licensing and DVD players finally getting DTS back at INMATRIX in the old days, so I remember how insane that stuff could get) by not USING the features? True, if you decode dolby or DTS, and play it back thru stereo speakers you must license it...not an argument. But how about if you play it back in MONO? Just decode it for the purposes of IDENTIFYING tracks? I would THINK (And I could be wrong here?)...that you arent guilty of using their licensed product...if you never actually use its feature and function(That being discreet tracked audio on multiple channels). Since for DVD backup purposes...you just wanna hear WHATS ON an audio track so you can decide if thats the track you wish to select, mono playback is very adequate for that task...and if you are playing ANY music in mono, its hard to assert that you stole DOlby or DTS property when their property licensing is based on multiple track audio playback? Though I suppose they could argue the decode process itself is at issue...however if they were to assert that, then they could already have done so for every copy software ever created sincet hey all allow the MOVING of said encoded files...which isnt any different than playing them without playing them on multi-channels...access and use laws, you must actually use an item to be guilty of illegal use. the possibility of use does not constitute a crime. ahhh...I do miss lawschool... Anyways...something to think about...as always Olli...a pleasure. Kelly TLK914 - Former DVD software reviewer still looking for a new gig!